Papa Joyce

28 roto pts (#1)
Z-Score: 1.412 (percentile: 92.12%)
Weeks at #1: 3
Categories won: Kills (732), Political Wins (129), Acts of Intercourse (35), Deaths (38)
Best Week: Episode 4: Book of the Stranger (+4.5 roto points)
Team MVP: Cersei Lannister (picked #2, 665 points, 61.69% of team total)

Roster Stats

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Sex	Deaths	Special
Cersei Lannister Queen Regent of the Seven Kingdoms and mother to King Tommen. Afflicted by a rare water allergy.	#2	665	598	15	9	15	10	0	18
Daenerys Targaryen The last royal member of the Targaryen dynasty, Daenerys and her three dragons have carved out a revolutionary empire in the east, liberating several slave cities and acquiring an army of Unsullied warriors. Her recent rule over the slave city of Meereen has been met with strife, however, and she currently finds herself lost with her largest dragon, Drogon, in Dothraki territory.	#10	162	94	42	6	5	15	0	0
Jaime Lannister The second of the Lannister children, he is Cersei's lover and twin brother, and also the father of her three bastard children, the supposed sons and daughters of the late King Robert Baratheon. He also serves as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, and recently returns from a mission to Dorne to rescue his daughter/niece, Myrcella Baratheon.	#7	94	15	27	30	0	10	0	12
Sansa Stark The second eldest of the Stark children. Sansa has spent many of her past years as prisoner to the Lannisters and more recently, House Bolton, the new Warden of the North. Currently she is married to Ramsay, the heir of House Bolton, who keeps her imprisoned in Winterfell and tortures her sadistically. During the Bolton battle against Stannis Baratheon's forces, Sansa escapes over the Winterfell walls with the help of Theon Greyjoy, and the two make their way as far from the Boltons as possible. She is a huge fan of lemon cakes.	#15	54	10	18	18	5	0	0	3
Roose Bolton Lord of House Bolton, and Warden of the North after his betrayal of Robb Stark at the Red Wedding. He is the father of Ramsay Bolton, who is his legitimized bastard son.	#18	36	0	6	9	0	0	18	3
Tommen Baratheon The King of the Seven Kingdoms after the assassination of his brother, Joffrey Baratheon. He is young and highly impressionable to the various influences in King's Landing that seek to control him.	#26	26	10	6	0	0	0	10	0
Samwell Tarly A steward of the Night's Watch. He is a close friend to Jon Snow, and one of the few people known to have killed a White Walker. He journeys south to begin his training as a Maester to replace the aging Maester Aemon.	#23	23	0	12	6	5	0	0	0
Lancel Lannister A cousin to the Lannister children. In a past life he was a stuttering servant to King Robert Baratheon and secret consort to his cousin Queen Cersei Lannister. Lancel now serves as a leading member of the Sparrows, a dangerously militant religious group whose power over King's Landing is growing.	#31	18	5	3	0	0	0	10	0
Totals		1078	732	129	78	30	35	38	36

Roster

charId	Character	Special
18	Cersei Lannister Queen Regent of the Seven Kingdoms and mother to King Tommen. Afflicted by a rare water allergy.	* +1 special point every time she pours wine or requests a glass be poured * +1 point when someone (excl. Jaime) references incest with Jaime or her childrens' bastardy directly to her * 2x multiplier for sex acts involving incest (first cousin or closer)
19	Jaime Lannister The second of the Lannister children, he is Cersei's lover and twin brother, and also the father of her three bastard children, the supposed sons and daughters of the late King Robert Baratheon. He also serves as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, and recently returns from a mission to Dorne to rescue his daughter/niece, Myrcella Baratheon.	* +1 point for awkward waves with his metal hand * +1 point when he uses his metal hand in a combat situation * +1 point when someone (excl. Cersei) references incest with Cersei or her childrens' bastardy directly to him * 2x multiplier for sex acts involving incest (first cousin or closer)
31	Daenerys Targaryen The last royal member of the Targaryen dynasty, Daenerys and her three dragons have carved out a revolutionary empire in the east, liberating several slave cities and acquiring an army of Unsullied warriors. Her recent rule over the slave city of Meereen has been met with strife, however, and she currently finds herself lost with her largest dragon, Drogon, in Dothraki territory.	* Announcing her titles: "Mother of Dragons", "Breaker of Chains", etc. (min. of 2 titles)
5	Sansa Stark The second eldest of the Stark children. Sansa has spent many of her past years as prisoner to the Lannisters and more recently, House Bolton, the new Warden of the North. Currently she is married to Ramsay, the heir of House Bolton, who keeps her imprisoned in Winterfell and tortures her sadistically. During the Bolton battle against Stannis Baratheon's forces, Sansa escapes over the Winterfell walls with the help of Theon Greyjoy, and the two make their way as far from the Boltons as possible. She is a huge fan of lemon cakes.	* Lady's actions contribute to her points. * +1 point in every scene she cries
86	Roose Bolton Lord of House Bolton, and Warden of the North after his betrayal of Robb Stark at the Red Wedding. He is the father of Ramsay Bolton, who is his legitimized bastard son.	+1 politics point for lectures given to his son Ramsay
40	Samwell Tarly A steward of the Night's Watch. He is a close friend to Jon Snow, and one of the few people known to have killed a White Walker. He journeys south to begin his training as a Maester to replace the aging Maester Aemon.	+1 point for reading books, mentioning he "read that in a book", or writing raven letters.
77	Tommen Baratheon The King of the Seven Kingdoms after the assassination of his brother, Joffrey Baratheon. He is young and highly impressionable to the various influences in King's Landing that seek to control him.	Actions by Ser Pounce contribute to his points.
26	Lancel Lannister A cousin to the Lannister children. In a past life he was a stuttering servant to King Robert Baratheon and secret consort to his cousin Queen Cersei Lannister. Lancel now serves as a leading member of the Sparrows, a dangerously militant religious group whose power over King's Landing is growing.	+1 politics point when he publicly outs a named character for their sins

Kills

Episode 1: The Red Woman

32:57 (+2) Daenerys Targaryen:

Jorah and Daario discover the charred bones of a ram out on the hills near the Dothraki sea. It appears to be Drogon's work.

Daario: "You think our friend got him?"
Jorah: "Don't know anything else that can melt a ram's horn."
Daario: "We're on the right path, then." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

submitted by alicehanners (approved!)

So the one little bit of difference in my mind is that for the little kid, we see both the before and after. So it's a clear, "this happened during the course of the episode". The ram in this case, I don't think was shown anytime earlier, and I worry that giving points for *any* dead bodies that show up will lead to some later scene where we come across a field of hundreds of mutilated bodies and get a line "Drogon must have done this." or "this is the work of Gregor Clegane", and end up rewarding a bunch of points that never had a payoff for show watchers.

Open to other thoughts/interpretations though. This is a good precedent-setter either way. -nyan

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2016 Apr 26
Wait, you see Zalla alive? I forgot that part
-alicehanners

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2016 Apr 26
Will have to bring the episode back up, but if I recall correctly the opening scene of the episode is the girl playing on the grass hillside. Then Drogon emerges from below the cliff and stares down at her. The later on in the episode the man comes to Daenerys' court with the charred bones. -nyan

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2016 Apr 26
Went back to do a rewatch, your memory of the events is right Alice. The scene I was thinking of is from S4E6 - Drogon rises above the cliff to stare down a boy goat herder, then ends up roasting a little goat and snatching it away. The boy escapes unscathed. Later in S4E10 the girls' bones show up without any prior introduction. I also found some previous precedents with Ramsay talking about killing people and just displaying the flayed corpses in S5 which were counted. So in keeping with that, this poor bbq'd ram will count! -nyan

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2016 Apr 27 moonbaseu92 likes this
Are dragon kills considered her "Special"? Because that would be a x3 multiplier -armizzle.diaz

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2016 Apr 29
@armizzle.diaz the dragons' actions will count for all of their respective category, so this is scored as kills, and if they shotgun a barrel of wine or decide to get incestuous, it'll count as wine/sex points. The special category is more for the "+1 for each..." that don't fit elsewhere. The Starks' wolves are counted the same way. -nyan

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Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

55:17 (+10) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys shoves the last torchstand at Khal Moro, burning him alive inside the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen. (Kill of Named Character)

56:01 (+20) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys burns down the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen, with Khal Rhalko and Khal Forzo inside of it. (Kill of Named Character)

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Rhalko is named by Khal Moro, "You'd rather be sold into slaver? Or maybe you'd like to show Rhalko here what you taste like?".

Forzo was not, but existed as a draftable character based on casting rumors, so he's included.

Qhono was not actually in the tent, he's visible as one of the Dothraki in the crowd approaching the burning Temple (around 59:23 on the hbogo stream). -nyan

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2016 May 16 alandennis88 likes this
Will clarify the new precedent in rulebook. The "named" character definition will be bent a little to include:
* all draftable characters
* "boss fight" characters, to borrow from video game terminology (pending)

For more discussion on the new "Kills of Named Character" criteria, check out the proposal at: http://fantasora.com/event/2394 -nyan

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2016 May 16 alandennis88 likes this
Maybe it would be clearer if you simply changed it to "Kills of Draftable Characters/Bosses" :D -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 May 16

56:01 (+24) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys burns down the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen, with twelve unnamed Khals and their bloodriders inside of it, in addition to Khal Moro, Rhalko, and Forzo. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

2:50 (+10) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime slays the Mad King Aerys II during one of Bran's flashback visions. (Kill of Named Character)

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I guess we did count Ned killing Arthur Dayne in the other flashback right? Even though that had been discussed before in the series, points weren't awarded because we never saw it until the flashback. I even drafted a character who I think will die in a flashback later this season, so I don't know why I initially had a problem with it. More kills! More points! -wpearsal

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2016 Jun 1
Everything during Bran's flashbacks have counted (Ned's Tower of Joy scene, mainly). Everything happening in flashbacks will count, as long as it's new material (e.g. flashback to Ned's execution doesn't count, since we already saw it in S1). -nyan

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2016 Jun 1 kailin, sanford, emilien.raggi, moonbaseu92 like this
I have to contest Jamie's intercourse points. Does a kissing scene now count as intercourse? Just wondering if we are now simply assuming something happens even if we don't see it on screen... -Tose

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2016 Jun 3

Episode 7: The Broken Man

21:39 (+2) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime clobbers Black Walder with his golden hand, leaving him with a severe bruise to the cheek.

Jaime: "Only a fool makes threats he's not prepared to carry out. Now let's say I threatened to hit you unless you shut your mouth, but you kept talking. What do you think I'd do?"
Black Walder: "I don't give a rat's-" *smack* (Minor Injury of Named Character)

submitted by bookworm13457 (approved!)

Personally I'm a bit in agreement with Alice from the original thread... the damage seems a little weak even for the "minor" subcategory. "Major" is reserved for permanent injuries (e.g. losing a hand), and most of the examples of minor injury have been more severe... Arya got the sticks knocked out of her by the Waif for example. Should we require some visible signs of injury for the minor category (visible bleeding or bruising)? -nyan

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2016 Jun 7
There are visible signs of injury. Posted evidence in the other thread, but here's the after again: http://imgur.com/O0Sf1DW -nsimmonds

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2016 Jun 7 as38, Laxis, golub.jake, nyan, 4 others like this
If anything there are more visible signs here than with Arya. -nsimmonds

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2016 Jun 7 Laxis and golub.jake like this
I was thinking the same thing, there have been even more "minor" hits on Arya that were counted for waif, I don't see why being struck by a metal object into the face (!) shouldn't count as minor injury, especially when taking a look at that screenshot -Laxis

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2016 Jun 7 dopeghoti, golub.jake, wpearsal, taylorreneegoodrich, 2 others like this
Waif gets points for a stick hit.. but jaimie wacks with solid gold hand no points? -golub.jake

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2016 Jun 7 nsimmonds likes this

21:45 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime acquires Edmure Tully as his prisoner after taking over the Siege of Riverrun. (New Follower/Prisoner)

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Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

8:30 (+38) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys commands her dragons to rain fire down onto one of the slaver ships attacking Meereen. 19 slaver soldiers are shown dying in the ensuing firestorm, as the ship collapses and sinks. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Similar to Bronn's wildfire explosion on the Blackwater (http://fantasora.com/event/1151), the whole ship went down with probably dozens if not hundreds of soldiers onboard, but it'd be impossible to speculate what that count would be. The 19 deaths here are based on the number of burning or otherwise injured soldiers shown on-screen.

Below you can find a log of each kill with a handy screenshot for reference: https://imgur.com/a/PR8RV

1-2. Two soldiers standing directly below as Drogon's first flame hits
3-5. Three soldiers caught in the flames from the fire on the central deck
6. Soldier on fire
7. Burning soldier collapsing onto the floor
8. Soldier ejected by first explosion during Drogon's flyover
9. Soldier still onboard ship in same explosion
10. Soldier thrown overboard in second explosion during Drogon's flyover
11. Soldier caught directly in flames of second explosion
12-14. Three burning soldiers
15. Silhouette of burning soldier against the inferno
16. Burning soldier falls overboard as ship begins to collapse
17. Soldier in water as ship collapses onto him
18. Soldier fall off the upper deck as the ship collapses
19. Second soldier falls off the upper deck as the ship collapses -nyan

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2016 Jun 20 bookworm13457, rajatnigam, alexanderdropkin, moonbaseu92 like this
So this only counts the ship that was burned by Daenerys atop the single dragon, but what about the deaths of the sailors from the other dragons? Ultimately, even though Jon Snow's kills in episode 9 were more personal and shown on screen, the amount of kills that Dany and her dragons committed far outweighed Jon's, thus she should not be trailing him for kills this episode.

I would suggest that the number of ships in the Master's Navy, which was hinted when the initial surrender talks were happening should be multiplied by the 19 we see die on screen. Each ship having 19 sailors evident on screen, but the entire navy is wiped out. I'd have to rewatch to get the exact figure he mentions, but I think it's either 100 or 1000. -mg.flanigan11

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2016 Jun 22
Dany does not destroy the entire navy. She saves much of it for herself to get across the sea. The only reasonable thing to do is only count the onscreen kills. -bookworm13457

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2016 Jun 22 nyan and righteous like this
The dragons are all attacking the one ship: https://imgur.com/a/N8p0M. It's just a display of power, as she wants to keep the rest of the ships to herself. Tyrion: "Thank you for the armada. Our Queen does love ships." -nyan

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2016 Jun 22 dopeghoti and alicehanners like this

57:17 (+10) Sansa Stark:

Sansa feeds the imprisoned Ramsay to his own hounds.

Ramsay: "My hounds will never harm me."
Sansa: "You haven't fed them in seven days. You said it yourself."
Ramsay: "They're loyal beasts."
Sansa: "They were. Now they're starving." (Kill of Named Character)

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Ramsay starved the hounds until they were hungry enough to eat him. Maybe he should get the kill. -twalters

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2016 Jun 21 nyan likes this
where was ghost? -crisbell22

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2016 Jun 23
In an interview the director said Ghost was just cut for budget reasons.

"[Ghost] was in there in spades originally, but it's also an incredibly time consuming and expensive character to bring to life," the episode's director Miguel Sapochnik told Business Insider on Monday. "Ultimately we had to choose between Wun-Wun and the direwolf, so the dog bit the dust." -nyan

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2016 Jun 24

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

9:13 (+5) Lancel Lannister:

Lancel carves the seven-pointed star into Loras Tyrell's forehead after his confessions, as a symbol of Loras' sins and newfound faith in the Seven. (Major Injury of Named Character)

17:14 (+60) Cersei Lannister:

A candle burns down to ignite the cache of wildfire buried beneath the Sept of Baelor, creating a massive detonation that obliterates the Sept and the audience awaiting Cersei's Trial by Seven. The High Sparrow, Lancel Lannister, Kevan Lannister, Mace Tyrell, Loras Tyrell, and Margaery Tyrell perish as the wildfire explosion erupts through the floor of the Sept. (Kill of Named Character)

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Part 2: So here's what we'll do.

Camp A will be a "default", as I think it's the general impression most viewers had on watching the scene, if they didn't dive into the nitty-gritty of scoring criteria. All of the leagues currently on Ruleset 3.1 and 4.0, Cersei will keep all the kill points.

For Camp B, all of the "reasonable split" scores will be added (Lem, Ramsay, Jordaario), under new Rulesets called 3.1b and 4.0b. These are the same as the existing Rulesets, just with these kill points added. Consider this a branch of the rules, enabling Leagues to self-determine which interpretation of the scoring criteria they want to apply.

I'll also be developing a new Ruleset 5.0 for the rewatches and S7 - it'll include the removal of commanded kills and the addition of some new political scoring categories to address some of the events that have felt like they weren't properly credited this season. The exact details need to be fine-tuned (the rewatches will be good practice), but ultimately it should address each of this season's controversial scores in a way that's unambiguous and properly rewarding for the magnitude of the characters' actions on the show.

At the end of this discussion, I personally fell into Camp C ("nothing counts"). However my read on that is that most players, in their gut, wanted the scoring to be Camp A or Camp B, but ended up supporting the strictness of Camp C because the other options create some hard-to-reconcile precedents. As a scorekeeper, there's some wariness that both Ruleset 4.0 and 4.0b will now be slightly broken in a "crap, this is going to be a mess for some future S7 events that I can imagine happening" sense.

The 5.0 revision of the rules should be the answer to that concern - we won't have to worry about these controversial 4.0/4.0b scores establishing bad precedents for future scoring, because we'll be using a completely new Ruleset 5.0 by then. In that sense, both of these bends for Camp A and Camp B might be considered do-right scores for the popular player sentiment on who deserves points, in a way that's safely not precedent-setting for the future Ruleset 5.0.

@jedjackoway and @bookworm13457 were the two main commenters that seemed to subscribe to Camp C without a personal leaning towards A or B. Hopefully your concerns were precedent-based like mine, and using A or B will be acceptable for your S6 scores (if not, I can always add in 3.1c/4.0c rulesets as well).

So in summary, this gives all leagues a Ruleset choice that fits with their preferred scoring style, and gives us a path forward to avoid this controversy in the future.

Hopefully this is a happy resolution for everyone playing this season. I'm off to count up some villagers and arrowed corpses. -nyan

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2016 Jul 1 bookworm13457, twalters, righteous like this
Thanks for all of your hard work @Nyan. I do not envy your task of counting the soldiers kill in the Battle of the Bastards. Looking forward to 1-2 more seasons of this! -bookworm13457

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The above changes are now live! Check your league settings for the Ruleset 3.1b scoring option. (ended up skipping on 4.0b as it turns out hardly any leagues are on it - of the active commenters, only @Lem Lemoncake used it).

If you happen to be in a Public League and would like switch it do a different ruleset, just let me know directly on FB/email - I'll switch these with preference going to the desired Ruleset of players who have been active in the scoring discussions.

For those curious, here's are those 3.1b events (screenshots of the villagers count and every. freaking. arrow. death.):

Ramsay volleys (36 soldiers and horseys): http://fantasora.com/event/2927
Lem Lemoncloak's kill commands (32 villagers): http://fantasora.com/event/3056
Gatins 1/7th share of 32 villager kills: http://fantasora.com/event/3062
Qyburn 50% wildfire kills: http://fantasora.com/event/3067
Cersei 50% wildfire kills: http://fantasora.com/event/3066 -nyan

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17:15 (+452) Cersei Lannister:

A candle burns down to ignite the cache of wildfire buried beneath the Sept of Baelor, creating a massive detonation that obliterates the Sept and the audience awaiting Cersei's Trial by Seven. Along with the High Sparrow, Small Council, and the Tyrell royal family, 226 other members of the audience perish as the wildfire explosion erupts through the floor of the Sept. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

I finally counted them all. Here's the wide shot! https://imgur.com/ft412aT -nyan

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2016 Jun 28
I'm keeping my arguments in the other thread for simplicity's sake. But why is this not going to Qyburn as well? -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 28
There's no confirmation that Qyburn did this however we do know that Cersei did. -klov3r

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2016 Jun 28
Just saw the "inside episodes 9&10" on HBO and they stated they used 287 extras for the scene. -alexander.hilton91

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2016 Jun 29 nyan and bookworm13457 like this
Stephanie on the FB page brought this up as well - I think we'll keep the criteria as just the on-screen body count, as it's easily scorable and we won't always have this kind of behind-the-scenes info available. -nyan

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2016 Jun 29

17:30 (+4) Cersei Lannister:

Two King's Landing pedestrians are consumed in the Sept of Baelor wildfire explosion. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

17:31 (+76) Cersei Lannister:

38 pedestrians in the square outside the Sept of Baelor are overrun as the explosion of wildfire spills outward onto the streets of King's Landing. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

17:36 (+6) Cersei Lannister:

A King's Landing pedestrian is crushed by a bell jettisoned from the explosion at the Sept of Baelor. Two other pedestrians are also destroyed as the alley becomes engulfed in wildfire. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

22:19 (+10) Tommen Baratheon:

After witnessing the wildfire explosion at the Sept of Baelor, Tommen removes his crown and leaps from the balcony to his death. (Kill of Named Character)

Political Wins

Episode 1: The Red Woman

18:16 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Given a redo, Lady Sansa finally accepts Brienne of Tarth into her service as a knight.
Brienne: "Lady Sansa, I offer my services once again. I will shield your back and keep your counsel and give my life for yours if need be. I swear it, by the Old Gods and the New."
Sansa: "And I vow... that you shall always have a place by my... hearth. and..."
Podrick assist" Meat and mead at my table."
Sansa: "...meat and mead at my table. And I pledge to ask no service of you that might bring you dishonor. I swear it by the Old Gods and the New. Arise." (New Follower/Prisoner)

40:11 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys convinces Khal Moro to not rape her by mentioning that she is the widow of Khal Drogo.
Daenerys: "I was wife to Khal Dorgo, son of Khal Bharbo."
Khal Moro: "Khal Drogo is dead."
Daenerys: " I know. I burnt his body."
Khal Moro: "Forgive me. I did not know. It is forbidden to lie with a Khal's widow. No one will touch you. You have my word." (Convincing Argument)

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Episode 2: Home

13:51 (+3) Tommen Baratheon:

Tommen bars Cersei from attending her daughter Myrcella's funeral, instead ordering her to stay in the Red Keep. Despite having the monstrous zombie Mountain on her side, she respects the King's wishes. (Executive Decision)

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30:43 (+3) Roose Bolton:

Roose chastises Ramsay after his attempts to locate Sansa Stark fail.
Roose: "Half a dozen men. Your best hunters."
Ramsay: "They obviously had help."
Roose: "I didn't think Lady Sansa killed them all by herself." (Politics Special)

32:08 (+3) Roose Bolton:

Roose gains a second son. "My Lords, Lady Walda has given birth. A boy. Red-cheeked and healthy." (New Follower/Prisoner)

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

10:55 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Sam convinces Gilly to go along with his plan to stay with his family in Horn Hill.
Gilly: "I know that, Sam. And he does too. You're the only one who ever has. If you think it's for the best... we trust you."
(Convincing Argument)

11:19 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Gilly acknowledges Sam's stepfather status to little Sam. Samwell proceeds to vomit from all the subsequent feels.
Samwell: "I'd feel better if you threw something at me and stormed off."
Gilly: "I'd never do that to the father of my son." (New Follower/Prisoner)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

27:30 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys convinces her rescuers on a new escape plan
Daenerys: "We will *never* get out of Vaes Dothrak alive."
Jorah: "All we can do is try."
Daenerys: "No. We can do more than that. And you're going to help me." (Convincing Argument)

39:27 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime assists Cersei in convincing Kevan Lannister and Olenna Tyrell to march the Tyrell army into King's Landing to arrest the High Sparrow and rescue Queen Margaery. "When the High Sparrow is in custody or dead, preferably, and Margaery's back at Tommen's side, do you think the king will be angry at the outcome?" (Convincing Argument)

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39:52 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Despite their initial protests, Cersei convinces the Hand of the King Kevan Lannister and Olenna Tyrell to go with her plan to march the Tyrell army into King's Landing to arrest the High Sparrow and rescue Queen Margaery.
Kevan Lannister: "We'll have civil war. Many will die."
Olenna Tyrell: "Many will die no matter what we do. Better them than us." (Convincing Argument)

No Jaime points for this? I took it as he convinces Kevan. "We're you commanded not to stand down?", "Do you think Tommen will complain when he has his wife back by his side? " etc -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 May 16 thederekwilson, coconnor723, mariahwestfall3 like this
Yeah, this was clearly a tag team effort. -nsimmonds

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Jaime's points have been proposed here: http://fantasora.com/event/2388 -nyan

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2016 May 16

50:10 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Sansa convinces Jon to rally the Wildling armies and march on Winterfell.

"You are the son of the last true Warden of the North. Northern families are loyal. They'll fight for you if you ask. A monster has taken our home and our brother. We have to go back to Winterfell and save them both." (Convincing Argument)

56:22 (+9) Daenerys Targaryen:

The Dothraki of Vaes Dothrak arrive at the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen and bow down to Daenerys as their new ruler, after she kills off all of the Khals by burning them alive in the Temple. Among them are Khal Moro's bloodrider Qhono, the High Priestess of the Dosh Khaleen, and the Lhazareen Khal widow. (New Follower/Prisoner)

56:28 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys claims dominion over Vaes Dothrak as the inhabits of the city bow down to her, after her burning of the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen and all of the ruling Khals inside of it. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

Episode 5: The Door

6:05 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Sansa learns of the re-emergence of the Blackfish and the Tully army. "Your great-uncle, Brynden the Blackfish, has gathered what remains of the Tully forces and retaken Riverrun. (Secret Discovery)

29:47 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys overrules Jorah's decision to leave her: "Do not walk away from your Queen, Jorah the Andal. You have not been dismissed. You swore to obey my commands for the rest of your life. Well, I command you to find the cure wherever it is in this world. I command you to heal yourself and then return to me." (Executive Decision)

32:04 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

High Priestess Kinvara signs on to Team Daenerys as the Lord of HYPE.

"You don't need to persuade me. I came to help. Daenerys Stormborn is the one who was promised. From the fire she was reborn to remake the world ... I will summon my most eloquent priests. They will spread the word. Daenerys has been sent to lead the people against the darkness in this war and in the great war still to come." (New Follower/Prisoner)

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Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

2:50 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime stabs the Mad King Aerys II in the back during one of Bran's flashback visions. (Act of Betrayal)

23:27 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Samwell steals his father's Valyrian steel sword, Heartsbane, from above the family mantlepiece.
Gilly: "Sam. That's your father's sword."
Sam: "It's my family's sword."
Gilly: "Sam. Won't he come for it?"
Sam: "He can bloody well try." (New Weapon)

23:30 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

On his last night in Horn Hill, Samwell steals his father's Valyrian steel sword, Heartsbane, from above the family mantlepiece.
Gilly: "Sam. That's your father's sword."
Sam: "It's my family's sword."
Gilly: "Sam. Won't he come for it?"
Sam: "He can bloody well try." (Act of Betrayal)

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Well, he actually changed his allegiance when entering the Night's Watch but the theft should still be considered some kind of betrayal, as Lord Randyll goes on about how Sam has no right to Heartsbane during the family reunion dinner. -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 1
Actually, he rather clarifies that Sam _does_ have a right to it, but that intends to defy that right. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 2
True! Still, I feel this should somehow be counted as an act of betrayal.
Although, diving a little deeper into Westerosi inheritance customs: That Sam cannot inherit anything, be it Randyll's title, the castle, the weapon or anything else, has become self-evident for every Westerosi, the moment Sam joined the Night's Watch. This is an essential part of NW membership. -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 2
But well.. the lore/background shouldn't have such an importance. What counts is the depicition of events in the series, I'd say. -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 2
just because Sam doesn't have a right to the sword doesn't mean its not a betrayal. It is his family, allegiance has nothing to do with inheritance. -cmwalken15

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2016 Jun 2
he gave up his family name though when he took the black -as38

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2016 Jun 2

41:32 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Despite being demoted out of the Kingsguard, Jaime is assigned a new role as head of the Lannister armies sent to deal with the Blackfish in the Riverlands. "I'm being sent to deal with the Blackfish. Apparently Walder Frey can't manage it on his own because he's 400 years old. Sent me with an army to the Riverlands and a siege that could last months." (New Title)

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42:26 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei convinces Jaime to accept Tommen's assignment to lead the Lannister army to assist Walder Frey in taking back Riverrun.

"Stand at the head of our army where you belong, where Father wanted you. Show our men where their loyalties belong. Show them what Lannisters are, what we do to our enemies. And take that stupid little castle back because it's ours and because you can." (Convincing Argument)

48:41 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

After burning down the Vaes Dothrak gym, Daenerys earns the appropriate badge to regain control over Drogon, riding him in dramatic fashion over her crowd of Dothraki followers. (New Follower/Prisoner)

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9 more comments - see full thread

Anyway, the scene was kinda poorly scripted; but just the point of flying in there on a fucking huge dragon and shouting epic shit at people with blades in their hands was such an incredibly badass move that she definitely needed to get points for it, no matter what :D I know it's rather impossible to score, but Dany's special should be "performing acts of exceptional badassery/awesomeness" -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 1
Love this description! -dneanover

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2016 Jun 1 nyan likes this
Judging from his facial expression, this probably wasn't exactely the same thing Daaribro had in mind when talking about "riding the dragon" a few episodes ago :o -Lem Lemoncake

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Episode 7: The Broken Man

21:55 (+6) Jaime Lannister:

Lothar Frey and Black Walder find themselves under Jaime Lannister's command as he arrives to take over the siege forces surrounding Riverrun. (New Follower/Prisoner)

27:11 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Lyanna Mormont pledges her house to Jon Snow's fighting forces: "House Mormont has kept faith with House Stark for a thousand years... We will not break faith today." (New Follower/Prisoner)

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Episode 8: No One

24:19 (+3) Tommen Baratheon:

Tommen issues a royal decree banning Trial by Combat. "Furthermore, after much prayer and reflection, the Crown has decided that from this day forward, trial by combat will be forbidden throughout the Seven Kingdoms. The tradition is a brutish one, a scheme devised by corrupt rulers in order to avoid true judgment from the Gods." (Executive Decision)

35:31 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime successfully convinces Edmure Tully to comply with his plan to retake Riverrun, sending him to the gates to ask for entry. (Convincing Argument)

40:00 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime is victorious in the Siege of Riverrun after his Trojan Horse, Edmure Tully, gains access to the castle and willingly opens his gates to the Lannister army. (Victorious Battle)

41:19 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime captures the castle of Riverrun. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

41:50 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

While watching from the ramparts of the newly-acquired Riverrun, Jaime spots Brienne and Podrick rowing away from the castle under the cover of night. (Secret Discovery)

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OH COME ON -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 15
She fucking waves at him, it was no secret -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 15
Is standing on the ramparts the kind of detective work that qualifies a secret discovery? -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 15
Will watch the scene again, but iirc Brienne and Pod have an unsure face, and then Jaime gives the hand wave indicating he won't chase them, which they reciprocate. It doesn't seem like they planned to be spotted (else they could have just waited for Jaime and walked out the front gates). -nyan

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2016 Jun 15
Same as an accidental kill (or accidental anything), you don't have to actively be gunning for points. Sometimes you just luck into them. -nyan

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2016 Jun 15
He first discovers them by chance and only after he waves at them does she wave back, it's not like she announced their departure (which was most definitely supposed to be in secret) to him -Laxis

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2016 Jun 15

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

11:03 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys wins the Battle of Meereen with a terrorizing display of fire and blood with her three unleashed dragons.
Tyrion to Yezzan: "Tell your people what happened here. Tell them you live by the grace of Her Majesty. When they come forward with notions of retribution or ideas about returning the slave cities to their former glory, remind them what happened when Daenerys Stormborn and her dragons came to Meereen." (Victorious Battle)

30:04 (+6) Daenerys Targaryen:

Yara and Theon Greyjoy pledge themselves and the Iron Fleet to Daenerys' cause, in return for helping them retake the Iron Islands and defeat their uncle, Euron Greyjoy.

Daenerys: "You will support my claim as queen of the Seven Kingdoms and respect the integrity of the Seven Kingdoms. No more reaving, roving, raiding, or raping."
Yara: "That's our way of life."
Daenerys: "No more."
Yara: "No more." (New Follower/Prisoner)

53:00 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Sansa retakes Winterfell for House Stark after defeating Ramsay Bolton and the rest of the Bolton army. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

submitted by xdwxrd (approved!)

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I think it's exceptionally clear that Sansa has Winterfell and UNCLEAR that Jon has it. Jon is a Snow. Sansa is a Stark. Stark banners were unfurled. Jon may have been leading the army, but it was for the Starks. Not for himself. -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 21 taylorreneegoodrich likes this
If Ramsay was not the only person in Westeros to care about Jon's desertion from the Night's Watch, he has probably already been beheaded by Bronze Yohn, right? -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 22
Jon didn't desert. He signed on for life. He died. He's free and clear to traipse all over Westeros now. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 22

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

0:00 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Littlefinger pledges his support of House Stark to Sansa Stark. "News of this battle will spread quickly through the Seven Kingdoms. I've declared for House Stark for all to hear." (New Follower/Prisoner)

submitted by xdwxrd (approved!)

17:02 (+3) Lancel Lannister:

Lancel follows one of Qyburn's little birds to the King's Landing underground. There he is stabbed, but crawls to discover the hidden cache of wildfire buried beneath the Sept of Baelor. (Secret Discovery)

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Seems like the little birds quite deliberately led Lancel there to show him, disqualifying it from the secret discovery. -nyan

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2016 Jun 27 dopeghoti likes this
I think the little birds brought him down there to stab him, not necessarily to show him. They stabbed him in the hall, and then he somehow stumbled upon the cache of wildfire, and tried to blow it out. So I feel they are independent events. -skywalkerdude

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2016 Jun 27 nyan, righteous, alicehanners like this
I didn't think they led him their deliberately. Why would they do that? Led or not led, still discovered a 'secret', yah. -xdwxrd

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2016 Jun 28 righteous likes this
REgardless of the scoring, can I say that I thought that was tacky and terrible television. That Lancel would swerve from his mission to get Cersei because, what, he saw a little kid? Are there no little kids in KL? Then, he gets stabbed and suddenly loses use of both of his legs? Did the kid stab him in the spine and paralyze him? wat
-alicehanners

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2016 Jun 28 nyan and righteous like this
Read this somewhere and this makes the most sense to me:

The little bird was spying on the trial and was running away to give information to Cersei about what had happened. He happened to be followed by Lancel, so the little bird hid, stabbed Lancel when he had the chance, and then took off. I think it should count as a secret discovery -wynnch

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2016 Jun 29

17:18 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei destroys the Sept of Baelor in an explosion of wildfire, killing most of the Tyrell royal family and the King's Small Council. (Act of Betrayal)

Eh, really? She all but declared herself accountable to no one when talking to Grandma Tyrell.
-alicehanners

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2016 Jun 28
One of the conditions of her release from imprisonment was that she would stand trial later. Though she swore that she would she decided to skip her court date to watch some fireworks. -jimwangerin

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2016 Jun 28
It seemed like Cersei and the Small Council had reached a sort of detente when we last left off, after they agreed on Jaime's plan to march the Tyrell army in. Maybe they didn't trust her 100%, but certainly none of them expected she would outright murder them. -nyan

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2016 Jun 28 alexanderdropkin likes this

18:22 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei takes Septa Unella prisoner, tying her down to a table as she tortures her. "Confess. It felt good. Beating me, starving me, frightening me, humiliating me. You didn't do it because you cared about my atonement. You did it because it felt good. ... I killed your High Sparrow, and all his little sparrows ... because it felt good to watch them burn. It felt good to imagine their shock and their pain. No thought has ever given me greater joy." (New Follower/Prisoner)

43:11 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys convinces Daario to accept his assignment to stay behind in Meereen as its ruler.
Daario: "You'll get that throne you want so badly, I'm sure of it. I hope it brings you happiness. I pity the lords of Westeros. They have no idea what's coming for them." (Convincing Argument)

46:12 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

As they begin plans to sail to Westeros, Tyrion Lannister professes his belief in Daenerys and pledges his services to her.

Tyrion Lannister: "For what it's worth, I've been a cynic for as long as I can remember. Everyone's always asking me to believe in things - family, gods, kings, myself. It was often tempting until I saw where belief got people. So I said no, thank you to belief. And yet here I am. I believe in you. It's embarrassing, really. I'd swear you my sword, but I don't actually own a sword."
Daenerys: "It's your counsel I need."
Tyrion: "It's yours. Now and always." (New Follower/Prisoner)

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I don't know about this, because he was already a follower, starting last season. This is like saying Davos is officially following Jon Snow, when he's been following him for seasons -skywalkerdude

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2016 Jun 27 righteous and jedjackoway like this
Agreed. Tyrion definitely gets points for a new title, but I don't think Daenerys should get points because Tyrion is not a new follower. -nick.embrey

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2016 Jun 27
But he made a vow this episode to her. -mg.flanigan11

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2016 Jun 27 nyan likes this
I guess it depends on when a follower is added? Not sure of the ruling if, say, a follower left then came back like maybe Jorah? Would it count twice? Also, if the follower is only counted once ever, I suppose a submission could be made at this point that Daenerys should gain the sand snakes and Olenna since Varys appears at the end in their discussion, surely this is meant to be her landing zone - Dorne. -mg.flanigan11

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2016 Jun 27
I feel like it should come down to whether or not Tyrion has been scored as Dany's follower yet, either this season or last. -jedjackoway

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2016 Jun 28 alexanderdropkin likes this
On the parallel to Davos, I've actually added his Jon Snow follower points here: http://fantasora.com/event/3026. It's a very similar situation in that the characters clearly became a follower at some point, but in a very gradual process. I'm not sure how to score these aside from waiting for a semi-official kind of moment.

Looking through, I actually can't find a Daenerys score for Tyrion as a follower in S5. It's possible this was an oversight, but unless someone can pinpoint a more official declaration of allegiance for Tyrion before this, this seems like the moment for him. -nyan

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2016 Jun 28 xdwxrd, alicehanners, mg.flanigan11, alexanderdropkin, 2 others like this

63:11 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Qyburn: "I now proclaim Cersei of the House Lannister, First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms. Long may she reign." (New Title)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

Episode 1: The Red Woman

12:00 (+3) Roose Bolton:

to Ramsay: "Without Sansa, you won't be able to produce an heir. And without an heir, well... let's hope the Maesters are right and Lady Walda's carrying a boy." (Threat)

submitted by moonbaseu92 (approved!)

Episode 2: Home

19:08 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

High Sparrow: "You would spill blood in this holy place?"
Jaime: "Oh the Gods won't mind. They spill more blood than the rest of us combined." (Threat)

29:03 (+3) Roose Bolton:

Ramsay: "They obviously had help."
Roose: "I didn't think Lady Sansa killed them all by herself." (Funny Line)

submitted by Reaper (approved!)

31:58 (+3) Roose Bolton:

to Ramsay: "If you acquire a reputation as a mad dog, you will be treated as a mad dog. Taken out back and slaughtered for pigfeed." (Threat)

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

30:35 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

to Qyburn: "Does he (Gregor Clegane) understand what we're saying? I mean, to the extent that he ever understood complete sentences in the first place." (Witty Insult)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

53:14 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

to the Dothraki Khals: "And here, now, what great matters do the Great Khals discuss? Which little villages you'll raid, how many girls you'll get to fuck, how many horses you'll demand in tribute. You are small men. None of you are fit to lead the Dothraki." (Witty Insult)

Episode 5: The Door

3:06 (+3) Sansa Stark:

to Littlefinger: "Did you know about Ramsay? If you didn't know you're an idiot. If you did know, you're my enemy." (Witty Insult)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

4:49 (+3) Sansa Stark:

to Littlefinger: "You said you would protect me... I don't believe you anymore... You can't protect me. You won't even be able to protect yourself if I tell Brienne to cut you down." (Threat)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

7:24 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Sam: "I told them I met you in the North."
Gilly: "Did you tell them how far north?"
Sam: "Well, it wasn't a very large piece of parchment..." (Funny Line)

35:18 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

to High Sparrow: "You've already insulted one great house. It won't happen twice. Every last sparrow will die before Margaery Tyrell walks down that street." (Threat)

41:32 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

"I'm being sent to deal with the Blackfish. Apparently Walder Frey can't manage it on his own because he's 400 years old." (Witty Insult)

Episode 7: The Broken Man

18:15 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Bronn: "Now that is a sorry attempt at a siege. Someone needs to teach those sad twats how to dig trenches."
Jaime: "Someone certainly does." (Funny Line)

21:29 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

to Black Walder: "Only a fool makes threats he's not prepared to carry out. Now let's say I threatened to hit you unless you shut your mouth, but you kept talking. What do you think I'd do?" (Threat)

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38:36 (+3) Sansa Stark:

to Jon: "So [Davos Seaworth] is your most trusted advisor now? Because he secured 62 men from a 10-year-old?" (Witty Insult)

38:43 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Jon: "Ser Davos is the reason I'm standing here talking to you and he served Stannis for years."
Sansa: "Stannis... who lost the Blackwater, who murdered his own brother, who doesn't have a head?" (Witty Insult)

Episode 8: No One

12:53 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Lancel Lannister: "Order your man (Gregor Clegane) to step aside, or there will be violence."
Cersei: "... I choose violence." (Threat)

This is certainly a threat on Lancel's part as well, is responding to a threat really a threat itself? -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 13 given.brian and jshragie like this
Lancel's line was an ordinary threat, Cersei's was a cold-blooded comeback. -nyan

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2016 Jun 13
Countering a threat with your own threat makes for more threats, as is just and true for Westeros. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 13 Ser Vincent likes this
Oh please, its only a cold-blooded comeback because it's Cersei. Lancel said "call him off or we will have to fight him." And she said "so fight him".

If his isn't a threat, hers definitely isn't. I think you are being way too personally subjective about threats -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 15 jedjackoway likes this
It feels like it hasn't been clear what the insults/threats/funny category is. It is never meant to score literally everything that can be construed as insulting/threatening, but is intended to reward the characters who are charismatic, and deliver the well-worded jabs.

Think about a rap battle. Literally every single line spoken by either participant is going to be "insulting". But only the best of those lines - insults with wit, cleverness, or highly-relevant comebacks - are the ones that illicit the "ooohs" and "BURNN!!" and "BAH GAWD that man had a FAMILY!" reactions from the audience. Those are the lines this category is trying to reward. -nyan

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2016 Jun 17
I think you can make a case for Cersei's line being below the bar - it's far from the best line in this episode (though I think there are wore ones, personally). But Lancel's line is an absolutely pedestrian threat, wording-wise, and does not fit into the purpose of this category. I cannot imagine a single viewer having a "Goddamnn I can't believe Lancel just said that" reaction to that scene. -nyan

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2016 Jun 17

16:31 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

on Sansa Stark: "In my experience, girls like her don't live very long." (Witty Insult)

31:18 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Edmure Tully: "Do you imagine yourself a decent person? ... After you've massacred my family. Kept me in a cell for years. Stolen our lands."
Jaime: "I'll remind you that our houses are at war. I'm sorry if this conflict has inconvenienced you, but rebelling against the Crown does have consequences." (Witty Insult)

34:35 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

to Edmure Tully: "I'll send for your baby boy. And I'll launch him into Riverrun with a catapult. Because you don't matter to me, Lord Edmure. Your son doesn't matter to me. The people in the castle don't matter to me. Only Cersei." (Threat)

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

55:38 (+3) Sansa Stark:

to Ramsay: "Your words will disappear. Your house will disappear. Your name will disappear. All memory of you will disappear." (Threat)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

21:10 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

to Septa Unella: "This is Ser Gregor Clegane. He's quiet, too. Your Gods have forsaken you. This is your god now."
(Threat)

Is this really a threat, she's kinda just telling her whats up, not threatening something will happen if something else happens. -xdwxrd

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2016 Jun 28 alicehanners likes this
Just 'cause it's flowery doesn't make this a good threat.
-alicehanners

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2016 Jun 28 alexanderdropkin and jedjackoway like this
If I was strapped to a board, and Cersei introduced her giant of a bodyguard to me as my "new god", I'd feel pretty threatened. -marcelcdn

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2016 Jun 28 nyan, bookworm13457, wynnch, kayeexau like this
I feel threatened by a lot of things all the time. Doesn't mean they threatened me. -xdwxrd

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2016 Jun 29

21:49 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

as she locks Septa Unella in with Gregor Clegane: "Shame. Shame. Shame." (Witty Insult)

26:10 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Walder Frey: "Fear is a marvelous thing."
Jaime: "They don't fear the Freys, though. They fear the Lannisters. We gave you the Riverlands to hold the Riverlands. If we have to ride north and take them back for you every time you lose them, why do we need you?" (Witty Insult)

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Two times I think, one was indirect (asking if he fought any battles himself) and the second time the sarcastic line about what a great conqueror he is. -Laxis

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2016 Jun 28 moonbaseu92 and golub.jake like this
Added the above line. Here are the two other lines from Jaime, but I thought they were a little tame - if anything Walder Frey had the much better response lines to Jaime.

Jaime: "Have you done much fighting yourself ...back in your day?"
Walder: "The purpose of fighting is defeating your enemies, isn't it? I've defeated mine. Riverrun belonged to House Tully for a thousand years. Now it's mine. What do you call that? Victory."
Jaime: "Yes, you're a great conqueror."
Walder: "Go on, mock me, boy. You think I mind? The Tullys mocked me for years. The Starks mocked me. Where are they now? ... Here we are now, two kingslayers. We know what it's like to have them grovel to our faces and snigger behind our backs. We don't mind, do we?" -nyan

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2016 Jun 29

29:43 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Citadel receptionist: "This is irregular."
Samwell: "Yes, well... I suppose that... life is irregular." (Funny Line)

45:19 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys: "Do you know what frightens me? I said farewell to a man who loves me. A man I thought I cared for. And I felt nothing. Just impatient to get on with it."
Tyrion: "He wasn't the first to love you and he won't be the last."
Daenerys: "Well, you have completely failed to console me." (Funny Line)

51:28 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Petyr Baelish: "Every time I'm faced with a decision, I close my eyes and see the same picture. Whenever I consider an action, I ask myself will this action help to make this picture a reality? ... A picture of me on the Iron Throne... and you by my side."
Sansa: "It's a pretty picture." (Witty Insult)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

Episode 2: Home

19:25 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei takes a sip while speaking with her son Tommen. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

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Episode 3: Oathbreaker

9:05 (+5) Samwell Tarly:

After vomiting from his sea-sickness, Sam drinks from a wineskin of fermented pepto-bismol given to him by Gilly. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Clarifying the rule for newer players - we had some debates previously on how to determine when a drink is alcoholic/non-alcoholic. That debate was inconclusive on where the line should be drawn (even if events like this may be "obvious"). So we went with implementing the easiest and most entertaining black & white rule: EVERY drink is counted as alcoholic, unless explicitly shown not to be (e.g. S2E9 Hound "fuck the water, bring me wine") -nyan

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2016 May 9 bookworm13457 likes this
this rule was dumb last year and its still dumb. -christopher.ryan36

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2016 May 9 nyan likes this
It doesn't seem dumb to me. Why do you say that? -10100100101

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2016 May 9
The brief respite of drinking _anything_ is rare enough in Westeros as it is. -dopeghoti

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Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

5:39 (+5) Sansa Stark:

Sansa steals away Jon's mug of ale before he can even take an on-screen sip. Jon gets the last laugh as she coughs it back up. "You'd think after thousands of years, the Night's Watch would have learned how to make a good ale." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 8: No One

11:15 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei drinks in her chambers as Qyburn arrives to deliver a request from the Faith Militant. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

17:51 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei drinks as she watches the wildfire explosion engulf the Sept of Baelor from the safety of her chambers in the Red Keep. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

40:23 (+5) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys drinks a glass of wine as Daario enters her chambers. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

55:58 (+15) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys emerges outside of the burning Temple of the Dosh Khaleen, with her clothes burned away, but unharmed. (Non-sexual Nude Scene)

Guess I was wrong about the actress saying no more nude scenes. Maybe she meant nude scenes where she isn't bathed in fire. -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 May 16 righteous, nyan, jedjackoway like this
In response to the comment above this:

There is a interview with Emilia Clarke specifically about this scene. She agreed to do a nude scene if it was in private. So they filmed her I believe in Belfast on a "closed set" with only a couple of people. The rest of the scene was filmed in Spain I think and basically they used CGI to make it look like Khaleesi/Emilia was actually there with everyone else. -marksizzle

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2016 May 16 nyan and taylorreneegoodrich like this
We were actually debating at my viewing party if they CGI'ed her body and that's why the nudity was included.

Or maybe she was just trying to throw off Fantasora drafts!! -coconnor723

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Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

43:08 (+10) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei and Jaime get it on after hot and heavy dirty talk about the power of House Lannister and destroying their enemies. "They've made us both stronger, all of them. They have no idea how strong we are. No idea what we're going to do to them. We've always been together. We'll always be together." (Act of Intercourse)

43:08 (+10) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime and Cersei get it on after hot and heavy dirty talk about the power of House Lannister and destroying their enemies. "They've made us both stronger, all of them. They have no idea how strong we are. No idea what we're going to do to them. We've always been together. We'll always be together." (Act of Intercourse)

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Hopefully this will become clearer when I can make a detailed breakdown for each scoring event. The sex category gets 1 pt EACH for: sex itself (incl. implied), each boob, butts, frontal nudity. So that is why Daenerys temple-burning scene gets points for the nudity, even though no sex happened: http://fantasora.com/event/2356

Earlier this season we defined direct contact with reproductive organs as the threshold for explicit sex: http://fantasora.com/event/2401

For implicit sex, we've never defined really defined it, so that's what this discussion is about.

Here's an idea that we could add for Ruleset 4.0: we can further break up scoring and add an additional point for on-screen gettin' it in. So this and other implied scenes would only count 1pt, Osha's would only be 1pt, Sam's "Oh.. oh.. oh my" with Gilly would get 2 pts - 1 for sex and 1 for penetration. -nyan

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2016 Jun 2 Ser Vincent likes this
I agree that there should be a sub-point system of "intercourse". Because if we are now simply assuming that the twins engaged in intercourse off camera, we are opening up the point system to a number of assumed acts of whatever (intercourse related, kill related, wine related). For example, we didn't see Sam drink any wine during the dinning scene. But isn't it safe to say that he probably drank wine prior or during the course of his meal? -Tose

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2016 Jun 3
The criteria for each category is different, and there is some balance in mind when deciding how strict they are. "Cups on the table" would be a close equivalent to "making out in a private room", but as @Tose says we would start giving away way too many wine points (these wine points would also feel "cheap" compared to characters who are doing actual on-screen drinking). For sex, the easier implied criteria has been fine since explicit sex scenes are fairly rare on the show. -nyan

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Deaths

Episode 2: Home

33:05 (+10) Roose Bolton:

Roose is stabbed in the gut by his son Ramsay after news arrived that Fat Walda has given birth to a second son for Roose.
Roose: "You'll always be my first born."
Ramsay: "Thank you for saying that. It means a great deal to me." (Death)

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

+1 for Roose Bolton

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

+1 for Roose Bolton

Episode 5: The Door

+1 for Roose Bolton

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

+1 for Roose Bolton

Episode 7: The Broken Man

+1 for Roose Bolton

Episode 8: No One

+1 for Roose Bolton

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

+1 for Roose Bolton

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

17:17 (+10) Lancel Lannister:

Lancel Lannister is lured into the King's Landing underground where he is stabbed by one of Qyburn's little birds. Finding a cache of wildfire, he is too late to stop the candles from burning down and igniting it, engulfing him in the explosion. (Death)

22:19 (+10) Tommen Baratheon:

After witnessing the wildfire explosion at the Sept of Baelor, Tommen removes his crown and leaps from the balcony to his death. (Death)

26:42 (+0) Tommen Baratheon:

Tommen's shrouded body is presented to Cersei. "He should be with his grandfather, his brother, his sister. Burn him and bury his ashes where the Sept once stood." (Dead Body Appearance)

+1 for Roose Bolton

Special

Episode 1: The Red Woman

11:11 (+3) Roose Bolton:

Roose gives Ramsay a lecture that it is marriages and political acumen that establish dynasties, not winning on the battlefield.

"Do you feel like a victor? I rebelled against the crown to arrange your marriage to Sansa Stark. Do you think that burning wagons in the night and mowing down tired, outnumbered Baratheons is the same as facing a prepared and provisioned Lannister army?" (Special)

22:29 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Jaime refers to Myrcella's parentage as Cersei grives: "Listen- listen to me. She was my daughter and I failed her." (Special)

I feel like Jamie should have gotten points for this scene too, they were grieving parents together, clearly referring to their children, and what was taken from them. -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 May 2
@taylorreneegoodrich, this special originated from the earlier seasons when the paternity of Cersei's children was much more of a hushed secret. It's gotten more difficult to score now that Cersei and Jaime talk about it all the time, but in keeping with the original scoring, Cersei/Jaime get a point when it's someone else who talks about their childrens' bastardy *to* them. In this case it was Jaime's line to Cersei, but Cersei didn't respond back with anything about their kids.

the main distinction we went with is -nyan

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2016 May 2
Cersei also had a glass of wine so where are the points for that? -kimbo

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Episode 3: Oathbreaker

32:28 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Olenna to Cersei: "Margaery is the Queen. You are not the Queen, because you're not married to the king. I do appreciate these things can get a bit confusing in your family."
(Special)

32:28 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Olenna to Cersei: "Margaery is the Queen. You are not the Queen, because you're not married to the king. I do appreciate these things can get a bit confusing in your family."
(Special)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

49:50 (+3) Sansa Stark:

One teardrop rolled down to her bottom cheek as she reads about Rickon's capture in Ramsay's letter to Jon Snow. (Special)

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Are you sure she wasn't salivating over that Night's Watch mutton? ? Will do a rewatch of this to check. -nyan

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2016 May 16 taylorreneegoodrich and golub.jake like this
It's after jon says "We don't know that" when she says "Yes we do" -rbxd187

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2016 May 16 nyan, golub.jake, taylorreneegoodrich like this
The tear that was promised. https://imgur.com/npVqeEm -nyan

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2016 May 17 Lem Lemoncake and theesarahsmith like this
Incredible eagle eyes, @golub.jake -nyan

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2016 May 17

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

42:10 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Jaime: "He has our son! He stole our son! He's torn our family apart." (Special)

Episode 7: The Broken Man

21:39 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime smacks Black Walder with his golden hand as he gives a lesson on threats.

Jaime: "Only a fool makes threats he's not prepared to carry out. Now let's say I threatened to hit you unless you shut your mouth, but you kept talking. What do you think I'd do?"
Black Walder: "I don't give a rat's-" *smack* (Special)

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That is irrefutable evidence that Black Walder was injured physically by Jaime's attack. Basically Oberyn 2.0 /s -10100100101

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2016 Jun 7
To clarify, the Oberyn line was a joke but I do agree with nsimmonds about the minor injury to a named character. -10100100101

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2016 Jun 7 wpearsal likes this
top notch investigative work, @nsimmonds! -nyan

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2016 Jun 7

Episode 8: No One

42:09 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

after spotting them from the castle wall, Jaime waves to Brienne and Podrick as they row away from Riverrun. (Special)

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And i believe that anytime that hand moves without him walking is awkward -golub.jake

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2016 Jun 15
My original message was meant to be placed in the political points column. My bad. I still think those political points are an absolute joke though. Definitely agree with the hand wave though. -cls112

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2016 Jun 16
@cls112, which political points were you referring to? -nyan

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2016 Jun 16

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

10:26 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei pours herself a glass of wine while observing the events at the Sept of Baelor from afar. (Special)

18:15 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei pours out her glass of wine over Septa Unella's face as she is bound to a table. "Confess." (Special)

18:32 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

After emptying her glass, Cersei returns to pour out an entire pitcher of wine over Septa Unella's face as she tortures her. (Special)

24:08 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Bronn converses with Jaime about the women at the Frey-Lannister feast.
Jaime: "Not my type."
Bronn: "Not blonde enough?" (Special)

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