#FuckOlly

35 roto pts (#1)
Z-Score: 1.249 (percentile: 89.43%)
Weeks at #1: 4
Categories won: Kills (638), Deaths (66)
Best Week: Episode 6: Blood of My Blood (+5 roto points)
Team MVP: Cersei Lannister (picked #3, 665 points, 63.94% of team total)

Roster Stats

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Sex	Deaths	Special
Cersei Lannister Queen Regent of the Seven Kingdoms and mother to King Tommen. Afflicted by a rare water allergy.	#3	665	598	15	9	15	10	0	18
Doran Martell The head of House Martell of Dorne, and elder brother of Prince Oberyn Martell.	#33	118	0	0	0	0	0	19	99
Jaime Lannister The second of the Lannister children, he is Cersei's lover and twin brother, and also the father of her three bastard children, the supposed sons and daughters of the late King Robert Baratheon. He also serves as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, and recently returns from a mission to Dorne to rescue his daughter/niece, Myrcella Baratheon.	#8	94	15	27	30	0	10	0	12
Tormund Giantsbane A leader of the Wildlings, and formerly a trusted lieutenant and second-in-command to Mance Rayder, the King Beyond the Wall. Although they have met in battle more than once, he bears a grudging respect for Jon Snow.	#28	47	18	6	18	5	0	0	0
High Sparrow The leader of the Sparrows, a religious movement within the Faith of the Seven. After being appointed as High Septon by Cersei Lannister, he has lead a sweeping inquiry to root out moral corruption in King's Landing, imprisoning Loras Tyrell, Margaery Tyrell, and Cersei Lannister.	#23	45	5	24	6	0	0	10	0
Roose Bolton Lord of House Bolton, and Warden of the North after his betrayal of Robb Stark at the Red Wedding. He is the father of Ramsay Bolton, who is his legitimized bastard son.	#13	36	0	6	9	0	0	18	3
Trystane Martell Prince Doran Martell's son, and heir to Dorne. He is betrothed to Myrcella Baratheon, and accompanies her back to King's Landing to serve on the Small Council.	#38	19	0	0	0	0	0	19	0
Theon Greyjoy Heir to the Iron Islands, and formerly a ward of House Stark. Theon has been broken through torture by the hands of Ramsay Bolton, but has escaped Winterfell along with Sansa Stark during the chaos of the Battle of Winterfell.	#18	16	2	0	0	5	0	0	9
Totals		1040	638	78	72	25	20	66	141

Roster

charId	Character	Special
18	Cersei Lannister Queen Regent of the Seven Kingdoms and mother to King Tommen. Afflicted by a rare water allergy.	* +1 special point every time she pours wine or requests a glass be poured * +1 point when someone (excl. Jaime) references incest with Jaime or her childrens' bastardy directly to her * 2x multiplier for sex acts involving incest (first cousin or closer)
19	Jaime Lannister The second of the Lannister children, he is Cersei's lover and twin brother, and also the father of her three bastard children, the supposed sons and daughters of the late King Robert Baratheon. He also serves as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, and recently returns from a mission to Dorne to rescue his daughter/niece, Myrcella Baratheon.	* +1 point for awkward waves with his metal hand * +1 point when he uses his metal hand in a combat situation * +1 point when someone (excl. Cersei) references incest with Cersei or her childrens' bastardy directly to him * 2x multiplier for sex acts involving incest (first cousin or closer)
86	Roose Bolton Lord of House Bolton, and Warden of the North after his betrayal of Robb Stark at the Red Wedding. He is the father of Ramsay Bolton, who is his legitimized bastard son.	+1 politics point for lectures given to his son Ramsay
61	Theon Greyjoy Heir to the Iron Islands, and formerly a ward of House Stark. Theon has been broken through torture by the hands of Ramsay Bolton, but has escaped Winterfell along with Sansa Stark during the chaos of the Battle of Winterfell.	+1 point for scenes where Theon refers to himself as "Reek" +1 point when his missing manhood is referenced
192	High Sparrow The leader of the Sparrows, a religious movement within the Faith of the Seven. After being appointed as High Septon by Cersei Lannister, he has lead a sweeping inquiry to root out moral corruption in King's Landing, imprisoning Loras Tyrell, Margaery Tyrell, and Cersei Lannister.	1 politics point every time he (or Sparrows under his order) publicly out a named character for their sins
67	Tormund Giantsbane A leader of the Wildlings, and formerly a trusted lieutenant and second-in-command to Mance Rayder, the King Beyond the Wall. Although they have met in battle more than once, he bears a grudging respect for Jon Snow.	* every mention of "killing Crows" * every on-screen second he stares into Brienne's soul (rounded up)
185	Doran Martell The head of House Martell of Dorne, and elder brother of Prince Oberyn Martell.	+1 point for every on-screen step he takes
186	Trystane Martell Prince Doran Martell's son, and heir to Dorne. He is betrothed to Myrcella Baratheon, and accompanies her back to King's Landing to serve on the Small Council.

Kills

Episode 1: The Red Woman

17:13 (+2) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon stabs a Bolton soldier through the back while he is battling Podrick Payne. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Episode 2: Home

10:59 (+2) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund cuts down the first of Alliser Thorne's men who is foolish enough to charge at him. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

2:50 (+10) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime slays the Mad King Aerys II during one of Bran's flashback visions. (Kill of Named Character)

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I guess we did count Ned killing Arthur Dayne in the other flashback right? Even though that had been discussed before in the series, points weren't awarded because we never saw it until the flashback. I even drafted a character who I think will die in a flashback later this season, so I don't know why I initially had a problem with it. More kills! More points! -wpearsal

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2016 Jun 1
Everything during Bran's flashbacks have counted (Ned's Tower of Joy scene, mainly). Everything happening in flashbacks will count, as long as it's new material (e.g. flashback to Ned's execution doesn't count, since we already saw it in S1). -nyan

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2016 Jun 1 kailin, sanford, emilien.raggi, moonbaseu92 like this
I have to contest Jamie's intercourse points. Does a kissing scene now count as intercourse? Just wondering if we are now simply assuming something happens even if we don't see it on screen... -Tose

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2016 Jun 3

Episode 7: The Broken Man

21:39 (+2) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime clobbers Black Walder with his golden hand, leaving him with a severe bruise to the cheek.

Jaime: "Only a fool makes threats he's not prepared to carry out. Now let's say I threatened to hit you unless you shut your mouth, but you kept talking. What do you think I'd do?"
Black Walder: "I don't give a rat's-" *smack* (Minor Injury of Named Character)

submitted by bookworm13457 (approved!)

Personally I'm a bit in agreement with Alice from the original thread... the damage seems a little weak even for the "minor" subcategory. "Major" is reserved for permanent injuries (e.g. losing a hand), and most of the examples of minor injury have been more severe... Arya got the sticks knocked out of her by the Waif for example. Should we require some visible signs of injury for the minor category (visible bleeding or bruising)? -nyan

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2016 Jun 7
There are visible signs of injury. Posted evidence in the other thread, but here's the after again: http://imgur.com/O0Sf1DW -nsimmonds

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2016 Jun 7 as38, Laxis, golub.jake, nyan, 4 others like this
If anything there are more visible signs here than with Arya. -nsimmonds

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2016 Jun 7 Laxis and golub.jake like this
I was thinking the same thing, there have been even more "minor" hits on Arya that were counted for waif, I don't see why being struck by a metal object into the face (!) shouldn't count as minor injury, especially when taking a look at that screenshot -Laxis

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2016 Jun 7 dopeghoti, golub.jake, wpearsal, taylorreneegoodrich, 2 others like this
Waif gets points for a stick hit.. but jaimie wacks with solid gold hand no points? -golub.jake

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2016 Jun 7 nsimmonds likes this

21:45 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime acquires Edmure Tully as his prisoner after taking over the Siege of Riverrun. (New Follower/Prisoner)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

41:48 (+2) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund runs his sword through a Bolton soldier from behind, saving Jon Snow. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

43:51 (+2) Tormund Giantsbane:

As the Wildling fighters charge into the Bolton shield line, Tormund reaches in to pull a soldier out of the formation, stabbing him through the belly. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

44:33 (+2) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund grabs the shield-holder out of the Bolton formation and yanks him down into the mud, slashing him across the back. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

47:39 (+10) Tormund Giantsbane:

After sustaining several headbutts from Smalljon Umber while they are trapped in the moshpit of death, Tormund goes in for the kill, biting into the Smalljon's neck and ripping out his jugular. (Kill of Named Character)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

9:05 (+5) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow orders the seven-pointed star to be carved into Loras Tyrell's forehead after his confessions, as a symbol of his sins and newfound faith in the Seven.
Margaery Tyrell: "You mutilated him. You gave me your word." (Major Injury of Named Character)

How is this a kill? -tylermanhart

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2016 Jun 28
Shouldn't Lancel or the Sparrow cutting get the points? -tylermanhart

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2016 Jun 28
That requires some skill -tylermanhart

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2016 Jun 28
These are major injury points, since the disfigurement is permanent. Lancel gets credit for the same (right below this one). Lancel's is the direct action, and the High Sparrow is the commanded one (since Lancel is a prisoner and willingly submits, it's regarded as "unskilled"). -nyan

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2016 Jun 28

17:14 (+60) Cersei Lannister:

A candle burns down to ignite the cache of wildfire buried beneath the Sept of Baelor, creating a massive detonation that obliterates the Sept and the audience awaiting Cersei's Trial by Seven. The High Sparrow, Lancel Lannister, Kevan Lannister, Mace Tyrell, Loras Tyrell, and Margaery Tyrell perish as the wildfire explosion erupts through the floor of the Sept. (Kill of Named Character)

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Part 2: So here's what we'll do.

Camp A will be a "default", as I think it's the general impression most viewers had on watching the scene, if they didn't dive into the nitty-gritty of scoring criteria. All of the leagues currently on Ruleset 3.1 and 4.0, Cersei will keep all the kill points.

For Camp B, all of the "reasonable split" scores will be added (Lem, Ramsay, Jordaario), under new Rulesets called 3.1b and 4.0b. These are the same as the existing Rulesets, just with these kill points added. Consider this a branch of the rules, enabling Leagues to self-determine which interpretation of the scoring criteria they want to apply.

I'll also be developing a new Ruleset 5.0 for the rewatches and S7 - it'll include the removal of commanded kills and the addition of some new political scoring categories to address some of the events that have felt like they weren't properly credited this season. The exact details need to be fine-tuned (the rewatches will be good practice), but ultimately it should address each of this season's controversial scores in a way that's unambiguous and properly rewarding for the magnitude of the characters' actions on the show.

At the end of this discussion, I personally fell into Camp C ("nothing counts"). However my read on that is that most players, in their gut, wanted the scoring to be Camp A or Camp B, but ended up supporting the strictness of Camp C because the other options create some hard-to-reconcile precedents. As a scorekeeper, there's some wariness that both Ruleset 4.0 and 4.0b will now be slightly broken in a "crap, this is going to be a mess for some future S7 events that I can imagine happening" sense.

The 5.0 revision of the rules should be the answer to that concern - we won't have to worry about these controversial 4.0/4.0b scores establishing bad precedents for future scoring, because we'll be using a completely new Ruleset 5.0 by then. In that sense, both of these bends for Camp A and Camp B might be considered do-right scores for the popular player sentiment on who deserves points, in a way that's safely not precedent-setting for the future Ruleset 5.0.

@jedjackoway and @bookworm13457 were the two main commenters that seemed to subscribe to Camp C without a personal leaning towards A or B. Hopefully your concerns were precedent-based like mine, and using A or B will be acceptable for your S6 scores (if not, I can always add in 3.1c/4.0c rulesets as well).

So in summary, this gives all leagues a Ruleset choice that fits with their preferred scoring style, and gives us a path forward to avoid this controversy in the future.

Hopefully this is a happy resolution for everyone playing this season. I'm off to count up some villagers and arrowed corpses. -nyan

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2016 Jul 1 bookworm13457, twalters, righteous like this
Thanks for all of your hard work @Nyan. I do not envy your task of counting the soldiers kill in the Battle of the Bastards. Looking forward to 1-2 more seasons of this! -bookworm13457

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2016 Jul 1 nyan, righteous, twalters, jedjackoway, 2 others like this
The above changes are now live! Check your league settings for the Ruleset 3.1b scoring option. (ended up skipping on 4.0b as it turns out hardly any leagues are on it - of the active commenters, only @Lem Lemoncake used it).

If you happen to be in a Public League and would like switch it do a different ruleset, just let me know directly on FB/email - I'll switch these with preference going to the desired Ruleset of players who have been active in the scoring discussions.

For those curious, here's are those 3.1b events (screenshots of the villagers count and every. freaking. arrow. death.):

Ramsay volleys (36 soldiers and horseys): http://fantasora.com/event/2927
Lem Lemoncloak's kill commands (32 villagers): http://fantasora.com/event/3056
Gatins 1/7th share of 32 villager kills: http://fantasora.com/event/3062
Qyburn 50% wildfire kills: http://fantasora.com/event/3067
Cersei 50% wildfire kills: http://fantasora.com/event/3066 -nyan

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2016 Jul 1 rajatnigam, bookworm13457, righteous, twalters like this

17:15 (+452) Cersei Lannister:

A candle burns down to ignite the cache of wildfire buried beneath the Sept of Baelor, creating a massive detonation that obliterates the Sept and the audience awaiting Cersei's Trial by Seven. Along with the High Sparrow, Small Council, and the Tyrell royal family, 226 other members of the audience perish as the wildfire explosion erupts through the floor of the Sept. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

I finally counted them all. Here's the wide shot! https://imgur.com/ft412aT -nyan

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2016 Jun 28
I'm keeping my arguments in the other thread for simplicity's sake. But why is this not going to Qyburn as well? -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 28
There's no confirmation that Qyburn did this however we do know that Cersei did. -klov3r

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2016 Jun 28
Just saw the "inside episodes 9&10" on HBO and they stated they used 287 extras for the scene. -alexander.hilton91

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2016 Jun 29 nyan and bookworm13457 like this
Stephanie on the FB page brought this up as well - I think we'll keep the criteria as just the on-screen body count, as it's easily scorable and we won't always have this kind of behind-the-scenes info available. -nyan

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2016 Jun 29

17:30 (+4) Cersei Lannister:

Two King's Landing pedestrians are consumed in the Sept of Baelor wildfire explosion. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

17:31 (+76) Cersei Lannister:

38 pedestrians in the square outside the Sept of Baelor are overrun as the explosion of wildfire spills outward onto the streets of King's Landing. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

17:36 (+6) Cersei Lannister:

A King's Landing pedestrian is crushed by a bell jettisoned from the explosion at the Sept of Baelor. Two other pedestrians are also destroyed as the alley becomes engulfed in wildfire. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Political Wins

Episode 2: Home

10:12 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund successfully leads the Wildlings to victory at Castle Black, after Ser Alliser Thorne and his men throw down their weapons after a display of Wun Wun's force. (Victorious Battle)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

30:43 (+3) Roose Bolton:

Roose chastises Ramsay after his attempts to locate Sansa Stark fail.
Roose: "Half a dozen men. Your best hunters."
Ramsay: "They obviously had help."
Roose: "I didn't think Lady Sansa killed them all by herself." (Politics Special)

32:08 (+3) Roose Bolton:

Roose gains a second son. "My Lords, Lady Walda has given birth. A boy. Red-cheeked and healthy." (New Follower/Prisoner)

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

37:21 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow convinces Tommen Baratheon to stand down his demands for his mother's entry into the Sept to see Myrcella.
High Sparrow: "A true leader avails himself of the wisest counsel he can. And no one is wiser than the Gods."
Tommen: "My grandfather once said something similar. Except for the part about the Gods."
High Sparrow: "The Gods worked through him whether he knew it or not. As they work through your mother. There's so much good in all of us. The best we can do is to help each other bring it out." (Convincing Argument)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

39:27 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime assists Cersei in convincing Kevan Lannister and Olenna Tyrell to march the Tyrell army into King's Landing to arrest the High Sparrow and rescue Queen Margaery. "When the High Sparrow is in custody or dead, preferably, and Margaery's back at Tommen's side, do you think the king will be angry at the outcome?" (Convincing Argument)

submitted by coconnor723 (approved!)

39:52 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Despite their initial protests, Cersei convinces the Hand of the King Kevan Lannister and Olenna Tyrell to go with her plan to march the Tyrell army into King's Landing to arrest the High Sparrow and rescue Queen Margaery.
Kevan Lannister: "We'll have civil war. Many will die."
Olenna Tyrell: "Many will die no matter what we do. Better them than us." (Convincing Argument)

No Jaime points for this? I took it as he convinces Kevan. "We're you commanded not to stand down?", "Do you think Tommen will complain when he has his wife back by his side? " etc -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 May 16 thederekwilson, coconnor723, mariahwestfall3 like this
Yeah, this was clearly a tag team effort. -nsimmonds

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2016 May 16 nyan likes this
Jaime's points have been proposed here: http://fantasora.com/event/2388 -nyan

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2016 May 16

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

2:50 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime stabs the Mad King Aerys II in the back during one of Bran's flashback visions. (Act of Betrayal)

10:24 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow convinces King Tommen to allow Margaery to proceed with her Walk of Atonement.
Tommen: "Is there no other way? ... It just seems very dangerous."
High Sparrow: "She'll be protected the entire way. The Faith Militant are very stern with those who overstep their bounds." (Convincing Argument)

30:28 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow announces Margaery's crimes to the masses gathered at the Sept of Baelor. "Rich or poor, noble or common, if we sin, we must atone. Margaery of House Tyrell came to us a sinner. She stood before the gods in the holy sept and lied. She turned a blind eye to her brother's sins. She disgraced her house, her King, and herself." (Politics Special)

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What about everytime he deescalates a confrontation? He's done that basically every episode. -julian.aronowitz

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2016 Jun 1
Proposition for new Sparrow special, using others who have multiple triggers as a template:
+1 each time the High Sparrow publicly outs a draftable character's sins or crimes
+1 each time he deescalates an impending violent conflict
+1 each time he makes specific reference to his past as a cobbler, or his current barefootedness. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 1 as38, julian.aronowitz, Ser Vincent, nyan like this
I think it's definitely good to count this even if he has already publicly outed Margaery as a sinner. It's exactely this obnoxious way of using every situation to make every last person aware of the sinner that is his speciality. It's like Daenerys repeating her titles over and over again and I'm sure there are more examples.
I assume the repetition came up here because of the question if kills that have already been shown should count if they reappear in Bran's visions? There I would disagree, but to me these are two entirely different things. It might help to step out of the scoring framework for an instant and think about how you experience these different acts while watching the episodes (without having the fantasy league in mind :D).

Maybe, it might also help to think in terms of plot and story. A kill happens once in the story, but the plot may deliver information about that at another time within the narrative - or even multiple times. The High Sparrow's multiple announcements do actually happen that often. Furthermore, it's not about revealing a secret, it's the act of denouncing he likes so much :)

At least that's my understanding of the way this game works, hah. Correct me if I'm wrong :o -Lem Lemoncake

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36:49 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow picks up an ownership stake in King's Landing after announcing a joint venture with Tommen Baratheon to make the Seven Kingdoms great again.
High Sparrow: "Together we announce a new age of harmony. A holy alliance between the Crown and the Faith."
Tommen: "The Crown and the Faith are the twin pillars upon which the world rests. Together we will restore the Seven Kingdoms to glory." (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

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Definitely a huge coup for him this episode. Aside from getting Margaery/Tommen on his side, it was hard to pinpoint something concrete for this new "holy alliance", e.g. did he get promoted to a Pope Sparrow, or is he now effectively in control of King's Landing as you say (technically it should still be Tommen). -nyan

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2016 Jun 1
i think it is both tommen and the high sparrow in control of kings landing, the crown and the faith, tommen didnt lose kings landing he merely entered a joint venture with the high sparrow for shared control -as38

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2016 Jun 1 nyan likes this
Tommen didn't lose titular control over King's Landing (and indeed the Seven Kingdoms), but the High Sparrow is certainly going to take advantage of Tommen coming under his metaphorical wing. So to speak. Definitely a gain for the High Sparrow, but not a loss for Tommen per se. -dopeghoti

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36:52 (+6) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow announces the latest high-profile devotees to sign onto Team Sparrow, in a joint press conference with Tommen Baratheon and Margaery Tyrell.

"Queen Margaery has already atoned for her sins by bringing another into the true light of the Seven. Together we announce a new age of harmony. A holy alliance between the Crown and the Faith." (New Follower/Prisoner)

41:32 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Despite being demoted out of the Kingsguard, Jaime is assigned a new role as head of the Lannister armies sent to deal with the Blackfish in the Riverlands. "I'm being sent to deal with the Blackfish. Apparently Walder Frey can't manage it on his own because he's 400 years old. Sent me with an army to the Riverlands and a siege that could last months." (New Title)

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42:26 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei convinces Jaime to accept Tommen's assignment to lead the Lannister army to assist Walder Frey in taking back Riverrun.

"Stand at the head of our army where you belong, where Father wanted you. Show our men where their loyalties belong. Show them what Lannisters are, what we do to our enemies. And take that stupid little castle back because it's ours and because you can." (Convincing Argument)

Episode 7: The Broken Man

13:39 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund convinces the other Wildlings to march for Jon Snow. "The Crows killed him, because he spoke for the Free Folk when no other Southerners would. He died for us. If we are not willing to do the same for him, we're cowards. If that's what we are, we deserve to be the last of the Free Folk." (Convincing Argument)

21:55 (+6) Jaime Lannister:

Lothar Frey and Black Walder find themselves under Jaime Lannister's command as he arrives to take over the siege forces surrounding Riverrun. (New Follower/Prisoner)

Episode 8: No One

35:31 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime successfully convinces Edmure Tully to comply with his plan to retake Riverrun, sending him to the gates to ask for entry. (Convincing Argument)

40:00 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime is victorious in the Siege of Riverrun after his Trojan Horse, Edmure Tully, gains access to the castle and willingly opens his gates to the Lannister army. (Victorious Battle)

41:19 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime captures the castle of Riverrun. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

41:50 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

While watching from the ramparts of the newly-acquired Riverrun, Jaime spots Brienne and Podrick rowing away from the castle under the cover of night. (Secret Discovery)

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OH COME ON -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 15
She fucking waves at him, it was no secret -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 15
Is standing on the ramparts the kind of detective work that qualifies a secret discovery? -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 15
Will watch the scene again, but iirc Brienne and Pod have an unsure face, and then Jaime gives the hand wave indicating he won't chase them, which they reciprocate. It doesn't seem like they planned to be spotted (else they could have just waited for Jaime and walked out the front gates). -nyan

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2016 Jun 15
Same as an accidental kill (or accidental anything), you don't have to actively be gunning for points. Sometimes you just luck into them. -nyan

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2016 Jun 15
He first discovers them by chance and only after he waves at them does she wave back, it's not like she announced their departure (which was most definitely supposed to be in secret) to him -Laxis

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Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

8:37 (+3) High Sparrow:

Loras renounces his claims to House Tyrell and swears himself to the High Sparrow and the Faith of the Seven.
Loras Tyrell: "I will abandon the Tyrell name and all that goes with it. I will renounce my lordship and my claims on Highgarden. I will never marry and I will never father children."
High Sparrow: "Brother Loras, I ask you to dedicate your life to the Seven Gods. Will you fight to defend your faith against heretics and apostates?"
Loras Tyrell: "I will." (New Follower/Prisoner)

10:04 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow reneges on his agreement to release Loras Tyrell after his confessions (presumably unharmed).
Margaery Tyrell: "You mutilated him. You gave me your word."
High Sparrow: "And I have kept my word. Once the Queen Mother's trial is concluded, Brother Loras is free to leave." (Act of Betrayal)

17:18 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei destroys the Sept of Baelor in an explosion of wildfire, killing most of the Tyrell royal family and the King's Small Council. (Act of Betrayal)

Eh, really? She all but declared herself accountable to no one when talking to Grandma Tyrell.
-alicehanners

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2016 Jun 28
One of the conditions of her release from imprisonment was that she would stand trial later. Though she swore that she would she decided to skip her court date to watch some fireworks. -jimwangerin

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2016 Jun 28
It seemed like Cersei and the Small Council had reached a sort of detente when we last left off, after they agreed on Jaime's plan to march the Tyrell army in. Maybe they didn't trust her 100%, but certainly none of them expected she would outright murder them. -nyan

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18:22 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei takes Septa Unella prisoner, tying her down to a table as she tortures her. "Confess. It felt good. Beating me, starving me, frightening me, humiliating me. You didn't do it because you cared about my atonement. You did it because it felt good. ... I killed your High Sparrow, and all his little sparrows ... because it felt good to watch them burn. It felt good to imagine their shock and their pain. No thought has ever given me greater joy." (New Follower/Prisoner)

63:11 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Qyburn: "I now proclaim Cersei of the House Lannister, First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms. Long may she reign." (New Title)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

Episode 1: The Red Woman

12:00 (+3) Roose Bolton:

to Ramsay: "Without Sansa, you won't be able to produce an heir. And without an heir, well... let's hope the Maesters are right and Lady Walda's carrying a boy." (Threat)

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Episode 2: Home

11:48 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Alliser Thorne: "For thousands of years, the Night's Watch has held Castle Black against the Wildlings."
Tormund: "Until you." (Witty Insult)

18:20 (+3) High Sparrow:

to Jaime Lannister, as his Sparrows circle in: "Every one of us is poor and powerless. And yet, together, we can overthrow an empire." (Threat)

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19:08 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

High Sparrow: "You would spill blood in this holy place?"
Jaime: "Oh the Gods won't mind. They spill more blood than the rest of us combined." (Threat)

29:03 (+3) Roose Bolton:

Ramsay: "They obviously had help."
Roose: "I didn't think Lady Sansa killed them all by herself." (Funny Line)

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31:58 (+3) Roose Bolton:

to Ramsay: "If you acquire a reputation as a mad dog, you will be treated as a mad dog. Taken out back and slaughtered for pigfeed." (Threat)

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

6:43 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund: "The think you're some kind of God, the man who returned from the dead."
Jon Snow: "I'm not a god."
Tormund: "I know that. I saw your pecker. What kind of God would have a pecker that small? (Witty Insult)

30:35 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

to Qyburn: "Does he (Gregor Clegane) understand what we're saying? I mean, to the extent that he ever understood complete sentences in the first place." (Witty Insult)

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

35:18 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

to High Sparrow: "You've already insulted one great house. It won't happen twice. Every last sparrow will die before Margaery Tyrell walks down that street." (Threat)

41:32 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

"I'm being sent to deal with the Blackfish. Apparently Walder Frey can't manage it on his own because he's 400 years old." (Witty Insult)

Episode 7: The Broken Man

9:22 (+3) High Sparrow:

to Margaery: "The Queen of Thorns is a remarkable woman, a strong woman. And an unrepentant sinner. You must teach her the new one, as she taught you the old, or I fear for her safety, body and soul." (Threat)

15:00 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Jon Snow: "Are you sure they'll come (the Wildling armies)?"
Tormund: "We're not clever like you Southerners. When we say we'll do something, we do it." (Witty Insult)

18:15 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Bronn: "Now that is a sorry attempt at a siege. Someone needs to teach those sad twats how to dig trenches."
Jaime: "Someone certainly does." (Funny Line)

21:29 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

to Black Walder: "Only a fool makes threats he's not prepared to carry out. Now let's say I threatened to hit you unless you shut your mouth, but you kept talking. What do you think I'd do?" (Threat)

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Episode 8: No One

12:53 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Lancel Lannister: "Order your man (Gregor Clegane) to step aside, or there will be violence."
Cersei: "... I choose violence." (Threat)

This is certainly a threat on Lancel's part as well, is responding to a threat really a threat itself? -alicehanners

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Lancel's line was an ordinary threat, Cersei's was a cold-blooded comeback. -nyan

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2016 Jun 13
Countering a threat with your own threat makes for more threats, as is just and true for Westeros. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 13 Ser Vincent likes this
Oh please, its only a cold-blooded comeback because it's Cersei. Lancel said "call him off or we will have to fight him." And she said "so fight him".

If his isn't a threat, hers definitely isn't. I think you are being way too personally subjective about threats -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 15 jedjackoway likes this
It feels like it hasn't been clear what the insults/threats/funny category is. It is never meant to score literally everything that can be construed as insulting/threatening, but is intended to reward the characters who are charismatic, and deliver the well-worded jabs.

Think about a rap battle. Literally every single line spoken by either participant is going to be "insulting". But only the best of those lines - insults with wit, cleverness, or highly-relevant comebacks - are the ones that illicit the "ooohs" and "BURNN!!" and "BAH GAWD that man had a FAMILY!" reactions from the audience. Those are the lines this category is trying to reward. -nyan

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2016 Jun 17
I think you can make a case for Cersei's line being below the bar - it's far from the best line in this episode (though I think there are wore ones, personally). But Lancel's line is an absolutely pedestrian threat, wording-wise, and does not fit into the purpose of this category. I cannot imagine a single viewer having a "Goddamnn I can't believe Lancel just said that" reaction to that scene. -nyan

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2016 Jun 17

16:31 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

on Sansa Stark: "In my experience, girls like her don't live very long." (Witty Insult)

31:18 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Edmure Tully: "Do you imagine yourself a decent person? ... After you've massacred my family. Kept me in a cell for years. Stolen our lands."
Jaime: "I'll remind you that our houses are at war. I'm sorry if this conflict has inconvenienced you, but rebelling against the Crown does have consequences." (Witty Insult)

34:35 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

to Edmure Tully: "I'll send for your baby boy. And I'll launch him into Riverrun with a catapult. Because you don't matter to me, Lord Edmure. Your son doesn't matter to me. The people in the castle don't matter to me. Only Cersei." (Threat)

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

16:29 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Jon Snow: "We're digging trenches all along our flanks. They won't be able to hit us the way that Stannis hit you, in a double envelopment."
Tormund: ...
Jon: "A pincer move."
Tormund: ...
Jon: "They won't be able to hit us from the sides."
Tormund: "Good." (Funny Line)

21:58 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

to Davos: "I have a jug of sour goat's milk stronger than any of that grape water you southern twats like sucking on." (Witty Insult)

22:23 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Davos: "I can never sleep the night before a battle."
Tormund: "So what do you do all night?"
Davos: "I walk. Think and walk. Think and walk until I'm far enough away from camp that no one can hear me shitting my guts out."
Tormund: *laughs* "... Happy shitting." (Funny Line)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

21:10 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

to Septa Unella: "This is Ser Gregor Clegane. He's quiet, too. Your Gods have forsaken you. This is your god now."
(Threat)

Is this really a threat, she's kinda just telling her whats up, not threatening something will happen if something else happens. -xdwxrd

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2016 Jun 28 alicehanners likes this
Just 'cause it's flowery doesn't make this a good threat.
-alicehanners

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If I was strapped to a board, and Cersei introduced her giant of a bodyguard to me as my "new god", I'd feel pretty threatened. -marcelcdn

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I feel threatened by a lot of things all the time. Doesn't mean they threatened me. -xdwxrd

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2016 Jun 29

21:49 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

as she locks Septa Unella in with Gregor Clegane: "Shame. Shame. Shame." (Witty Insult)

26:10 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Walder Frey: "Fear is a marvelous thing."
Jaime: "They don't fear the Freys, though. They fear the Lannisters. We gave you the Riverlands to hold the Riverlands. If we have to ride north and take them back for you every time you lose them, why do we need you?" (Witty Insult)

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Two times I think, one was indirect (asking if he fought any battles himself) and the second time the sarcastic line about what a great conqueror he is. -Laxis

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2016 Jun 28 moonbaseu92 and golub.jake like this
Added the above line. Here are the two other lines from Jaime, but I thought they were a little tame - if anything Walder Frey had the much better response lines to Jaime.

Jaime: "Have you done much fighting yourself ...back in your day?"
Walder: "The purpose of fighting is defeating your enemies, isn't it? I've defeated mine. Riverrun belonged to House Tully for a thousand years. Now it's mine. What do you call that? Victory."
Jaime: "Yes, you're a great conqueror."
Walder: "Go on, mock me, boy. You think I mind? The Tullys mocked me for years. The Starks mocked me. Where are they now? ... Here we are now, two kingslayers. We know what it's like to have them grovel to our faces and snigger behind our backs. We don't mind, do we?" -nyan

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2016 Jun 29

Glasses of Wine Consumed

Episode 2: Home

19:25 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei takes a sip while speaking with her son Tommen. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

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Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

48:01 (+5) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund drinks from his mug as Jon Snow unrolls the letter from Ramsay Bolton. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 7: The Broken Man

35:48 (+5) Theon Greyjoy:

Yara forces Theon to drink while the fleet is docked.
Theon: "I don't want any."
Yara: "I don't care what you want. Drink." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 8: No One

11:15 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei drinks in her chambers as Qyburn arrives to deliver a request from the Faith Militant. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

17:51 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei drinks as she watches the wildfire explosion engulf the Sept of Baelor from the safety of her chambers in the Red Keep. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

43:08 (+10) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei and Jaime get it on after hot and heavy dirty talk about the power of House Lannister and destroying their enemies. "They've made us both stronger, all of them. They have no idea how strong we are. No idea what we're going to do to them. We've always been together. We'll always be together." (Act of Intercourse)

43:08 (+10) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime and Cersei get it on after hot and heavy dirty talk about the power of House Lannister and destroying their enemies. "They've made us both stronger, all of them. They have no idea how strong we are. No idea what we're going to do to them. We've always been together. We'll always be together." (Act of Intercourse)

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Hopefully this will become clearer when I can make a detailed breakdown for each scoring event. The sex category gets 1 pt EACH for: sex itself (incl. implied), each boob, butts, frontal nudity. So that is why Daenerys temple-burning scene gets points for the nudity, even though no sex happened: http://fantasora.com/event/2356

Earlier this season we defined direct contact with reproductive organs as the threshold for explicit sex: http://fantasora.com/event/2401

For implicit sex, we've never defined really defined it, so that's what this discussion is about.

Here's an idea that we could add for Ruleset 4.0: we can further break up scoring and add an additional point for on-screen gettin' it in. So this and other implied scenes would only count 1pt, Osha's would only be 1pt, Sam's "Oh.. oh.. oh my" with Gilly would get 2 pts - 1 for sex and 1 for penetration. -nyan

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2016 Jun 2 Ser Vincent likes this
I agree that there should be a sub-point system of "intercourse". Because if we are now simply assuming that the twins engaged in intercourse off camera, we are opening up the point system to a number of assumed acts of whatever (intercourse related, kill related, wine related). For example, we didn't see Sam drink any wine during the dinning scene. But isn't it safe to say that he probably drank wine prior or during the course of his meal? -Tose

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2016 Jun 3
The criteria for each category is different, and there is some balance in mind when deciding how strict they are. "Cups on the table" would be a close equivalent to "making out in a private room", but as @Tose says we would start giving away way too many wine points (these wine points would also feel "cheap" compared to characters who are doing actual on-screen drinking). For sex, the easier implied criteria has been fine since explicit sex scenes are fairly rare on the show. -nyan

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2016 Jun 3 Laxis likes this

Deaths

Episode 1: The Red Woman

27:43 (+10) Doran Martell:

Doran Martell bleeds out after being stabbed by Ellaria Sand. "When was the last time you left this palace? You don't know your own people. Their disgust for you. Elia Martell raped and murdered, and you did nothing. Oberyn Martell butchered, and you did nothing. You're not a Dornishman. You're not our Prince." (Death)

Isn't it 19 points for all of these characters because they get an extra point for every episode left in the season? (9) -tyler3005

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2016 Apr 26
I thought the same thing Tyler. I think it needs to be adjusted. I posed on the FB page about it. -marksizzle

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2016 Apr 26
It will be by the end of the season -moonbaseu92

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2016 Apr 26
The post-death points will be awarded in the subsequent episodes, so Doran and the rest will be getting 1pt each in E2, E3, ... thru E10. It'll be 19 points after it's all said and done, but as a sort of trickle-down consolation prize over the rest of the season while you're down a character. -nyan

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2016 Apr 26 tyler3005 likes this
Does Jon Snow get a point for being dead then? -cfitzgerald

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2016 Apr 27
@cfitzgerald check out the discussion at http://fantasora.com/event/1951. It's leaning towards not awarding the points since they are for the rest of the season after they die, and Jon Snow was officially recorded as dying in S5E10. -nyan

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2016 Apr 27

28:42 (+10) Trystane Martell:

Trystane is stabbed through the face from behind on Obara Sand, after he turns his back on her to face Nymeria Sand one-on-one. (Death)

Episode 2: Home

33:05 (+10) Roose Bolton:

Roose is stabbed in the gut by his son Ramsay after news arrived that Fat Walda has given birth to a second son for Roose.
Roose: "You'll always be my first born."
Ramsay: "Thank you for saying that. It means a great deal to me." (Death)

+1 for Doran Martell, +1 for Trystane Martell

Episode 3: Oathbreaker