Valar Dohaeris

3-7, 48 roto pts (#2)
Z-Score: 1.017 (percentile: 84.54%)
Weeks at #1: 0
Categories won:
Best Week: Episode 4: Book of the Stranger (+9.5 roto points)
Team MVP: Daenerys Targaryen (picked #5, 162 points, 39.23% of team total)
Longest winstreak: W-2

Roster Stats

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Sex	Deaths	Special
Daenerys Targaryen The last royal member of the Targaryen dynasty, Daenerys and her three dragons have carved out a revolutionary empire in the east, liberating several slave cities and acquiring an army of Unsullied warriors. Her recent rule over the slave city of Meereen has been met with strife, however, and she currently finds herself lost with her largest dragon, Drogon, in Dothraki territory.	#5	162	94	42	6	5	15	0	0
Bran Stark The fourth of the Stark children. A greenseer and a warg, Bran has mystical visions of the future and the ability to leap into the minds of others to control them - power he is only beginning to tap into. His journeys north of the Wall have recently led him to the cave of the Three-eyed Raven and the Children of the Forest.	#12	76	19	15	0	0	0	15	27
Grey Worm The leader of the Unsullied - a highly-trained army of freed slaves who serve Daenerys Targaryen.	#37	67	20	3	3	5	0	0	36
Grand Maester Pycelle The Grand Maester of the Seven Kingdoms. Pycelle is highly educated and serves as an advisor to the King.	#60	33	0	0	3	0	5	10	15
Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	#53	28	0	0	0	0	0	28	0
Jorah Mormont The exiled head of House Mormont. Jorah was previously one of Daenerys Targaryen's most trusted advisors before his banishment. He returned to her service during a revolt in the fighting pits of Meereen, and now travels with Daario Naharis to rescue Daenerys, who has disappeared along with one of her dragons, Drogon.	#21	21	0	0	3	0	0	0	18
White Walker (Night King) The leader of the White Walkers.	#44	16	10	6	0	0	0	0	0
Loras Tyrell The heir to Highgarden and regarded as one of the most skilled knights in Westeros. He is the brother of Margaery Tyrell. He is currently imprisoned by the High Sparrow for his alleged homosexual affairs with Olyvar, the brothel owner.	#28	10	0	0	0	0	0	10	0
Totals		413	143	66	15	10	20	63	96

Roster

charId	Character	Special
31	Daenerys Targaryen The last royal member of the Targaryen dynasty, Daenerys and her three dragons have carved out a revolutionary empire in the east, liberating several slave cities and acquiring an army of Unsullied warriors. Her recent rule over the slave city of Meereen has been met with strife, however, and she currently finds herself lost with her largest dragon, Drogon, in Dothraki territory.	* Announcing her titles: "Mother of Dragons", "Breaker of Chains", etc. (min. of 2 titles)
7	Bran Stark The fourth of the Stark children. A greenseer and a warg, Bran has mystical visions of the future and the ability to leap into the minds of others to control them - power he is only beginning to tap into. His journeys north of the Wall have recently led him to the cave of the Three-eyed Raven and the Children of the Forest.	* Bran introducing himself into a scene by creepily staring at people * Summer's actions contribute to his points * Scores points for each scene where he breaks out of his tree-trance and shows any of the following emotions: sadness (visible tears), happiness (audible laughter or smiles with teeth), fear (audible screams) * Scores points for each instance he uses his Warg ability
32	Jorah Mormont The exiled head of House Mormont. Jorah was previously one of Daenerys Targaryen's most trusted advisors before his banishment. He returned to her service during a revolt in the fighting pits of Meereen, and now travels with Daario Naharis to rescue Daenerys, who has disappeared along with one of her dragons, Drogon.	* +1 point when he explains to someone he has Greyscale * +1 point in each scene that Jorah serves as an encyclopedia for Essos culture. * +1 point each time Daenerys convinces him to go on a mission / do something that doesn't involve being anywhere around her (friendzone)
60	Loras Tyrell The heir to Highgarden and regarded as one of the most skilled knights in Westeros. He is the brother of Margaery Tyrell. He is currently imprisoned by the High Sparrow for his alleged homosexual affairs with Olyvar, the brothel owner.	+1 point anytime someone refers to him using sword-based analogies, or any other reference to his sexuality.
38	Grey Worm The leader of the Unsullied - a highly-trained army of freed slaves who serve Daenerys Targaryen.	* +1 for every 3-syllable word uttered in the Common Tongue (Westerosi English), not counting proper nouns (Daenerys, Unsullied, etc.) * Receives standard sex points for making it to first base
130	White Walker (Night King) The leader of the White Walkers.	* Actions of dragons while dragonriding * Wights or White Walker versions of named chars are counted as followers (unless shown to be re-animated by someone else) * Scenes of Winter arriving anywhere south of the Riverlands (inclusive) * works of White Walker art
8	Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	+1 point for every scene where he has a speaking line Shaggydog's actions contribute to his points.
74	Grand Maester Pycelle The Grand Maester of the Seven Kingdoms. Pycelle is highly educated and serves as an advisor to the King.	+1 point when he walks 5 or more steps in a row without stopping

Kills

Episode 1: The Red Woman

32:57 (+2) Daenerys Targaryen:

Jorah and Daario discover the charred bones of a ram out on the hills near the Dothraki sea. It appears to be Drogon's work.

Daario: "You think our friend got him?"
Jorah: "Don't know anything else that can melt a ram's horn."
Daario: "We're on the right path, then." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

submitted by alicehanners (approved!)

So the one little bit of difference in my mind is that for the little kid, we see both the before and after. So it's a clear, "this happened during the course of the episode". The ram in this case, I don't think was shown anytime earlier, and I worry that giving points for *any* dead bodies that show up will lead to some later scene where we come across a field of hundreds of mutilated bodies and get a line "Drogon must have done this." or "this is the work of Gregor Clegane", and end up rewarding a bunch of points that never had a payoff for show watchers.

Open to other thoughts/interpretations though. This is a good precedent-setter either way. -nyan

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2016 Apr 26
Wait, you see Zalla alive? I forgot that part
-alicehanners

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2016 Apr 26
Will have to bring the episode back up, but if I recall correctly the opening scene of the episode is the girl playing on the grass hillside. Then Drogon emerges from below the cliff and stares down at her. The later on in the episode the man comes to Daenerys' court with the charred bones. -nyan

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2016 Apr 26
Went back to do a rewatch, your memory of the events is right Alice. The scene I was thinking of is from S4E6 - Drogon rises above the cliff to stare down a boy goat herder, then ends up roasting a little goat and snatching it away. The boy escapes unscathed. Later in S4E10 the girls' bones show up without any prior introduction. I also found some previous precedents with Ramsay talking about killing people and just displaying the flayed corpses in S5 which were counted. So in keeping with that, this poor bbq'd ram will count! -nyan

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2016 Apr 27 moonbaseu92 likes this
Are dragon kills considered her "Special"? Because that would be a x3 multiplier -armizzle.diaz

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2016 Apr 29
@armizzle.diaz the dragons' actions will count for all of their respective category, so this is scored as kills, and if they shotgun a barrel of wine or decide to get incestuous, it'll count as wine/sex points. The special category is more for the "+1 for each..." that don't fit elsewhere. The Starks' wolves are counted the same way. -nyan

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2016 Apr 29 nsimmonds likes this

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

55:17 (+10) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys shoves the last torchstand at Khal Moro, burning him alive inside the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen. (Kill of Named Character)

56:01 (+20) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys burns down the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen, with Khal Rhalko and Khal Forzo inside of it. (Kill of Named Character)

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Rhalko is named by Khal Moro, "You'd rather be sold into slaver? Or maybe you'd like to show Rhalko here what you taste like?".

Forzo was not, but existed as a draftable character based on casting rumors, so he's included.

Qhono was not actually in the tent, he's visible as one of the Dothraki in the crowd approaching the burning Temple (around 59:23 on the hbogo stream). -nyan

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2016 May 16 alandennis88 likes this
Will clarify the new precedent in rulebook. The "named" character definition will be bent a little to include:
* all draftable characters
* "boss fight" characters, to borrow from video game terminology (pending)

For more discussion on the new "Kills of Named Character" criteria, check out the proposal at: http://fantasora.com/event/2394 -nyan

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2016 May 16 alandennis88 likes this
Maybe it would be clearer if you simply changed it to "Kills of Draftable Characters/Bosses" :D -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 May 16

56:01 (+24) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys burns down the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen, with twelve unnamed Khals and their bloodriders inside of it, in addition to Khal Moro, Rhalko, and Forzo. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Episode 5: The Door

49:26 (+2) Bran Stark:

Summer leaps onto the second wight just before it attacks Meera Reed. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

51:10 (+2) Bran Stark:

Summer dives into the crowd of wights as Bran and company make their escape out of the Three-Eyed Raven's cavern. He lands on one wight but is quickly cut down by the horde. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

I don't think we actually see Summer kill any wights. -tbaum9842

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2016 May 23 nyan and ddenault85 like this
:( :( :( -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 May 23
Shouldn't we get credit for Summer's death too? -jamesrscottjr81

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2016 May 23
Bar is set fairly low for fights with henchmen/redshirts. From the rulebook spec: "Pretty much any kind of strike on random extras is counted for a kill unless the extra is shown to be explicitly alive after. This is applied often for large battle scenes." -nyan

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2016 May 23
Summer's death counted here: http://fantasora.com/event/2461 -nyan

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2016 May 23

51:57 (+10) White Walker (Night King):

The White Walker King cuts down the Three-Eyed Raven after gaining access to his cavern via Bran's unsupervised vision. (Kill of Named Character)

He doesn't get kill points for the people the wights kill? They are under his magical command. -rblaine.morris

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2016 May 23 tbaum9842, rynearson.david, korina.rangel like this
That sounds impossible to score. Although he was on my team this episode so it would be great for me, but if they started counting army kills for the commander it would lead into impossible to count territory pretty fast. -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 May 23 shrest18, dopeghoti, nyan like this
Typically for a battle scene, the army's actions are not automatically counted for the commander. Here's the exact criteria from the rulebook: "A commanded kill is counted, if it requires absolutely no skill on the part of the person carrying it out."

This brings up an interesting point because the WW King "commands" the wights much more directly than any human commands an army. But I think it still falls into the category of the wights acting of their own zombie-mentality accord.

Note that WW King does get credit for winning the battle in general: http://fantasora.com/event/2492 -nyan

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2016 May 23
Do we really already know how the WW King commands the wights or do we all just assume that from theories and lore? :D I noticed that I kind of mixed it all up in my head and can't really tell apart anymore what was in the series, what's in the books and what I have from the tinfoiliest theories out there :p -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 May 23
But he was clearly fully in control of them at hard home otherwise they wouldn't have stopped fighting and would have kept chasing after the boats instead of just standing there. He did all of this by silently walking out on a dock and raising his arms -rblaine.morris

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2016 May 24 Lem Lemoncake likes this

53:44 (+5) Bran Stark:

Bran mentally debilitates a young Wylas by warging into him, offering him a glimpse of his future demise at the Door. (Major Injury of Named Character)

55:15 (+10) Bran Stark:

While warged in, Bran forces Hodor to hold the Door against the horde of wights as he and Meera make their escape, sacrificing him in the process. (Kill of Named Character)

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@Lem Bran only half-consciously controlling the Hodors sounds like a good argument for excluding it as a betrayal. It's ambiguous even to what extent Bran is aware of how he is controlling things (both in past vision and real world), and thus it's hard to say he betrayed anyone in his subconscious (intent should matter for betrayals, else klutzy chars like Podrick would be "betraying" friends with their screwups all the time). -nyan

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2016 May 26
Really good perspectives you both brought up about the kills. I think bookworm is right that we should try to exclude intent - can of worms as you say, and accidental kills should definitely be possible.

Thinking through this, it does feel like there should be some criteria that allows for putting someone into a situation where they'll definitely be killed. Scar flinging Mufasa down to the stampeding buffalo in Long King comes to mind - no control over the actual killers there, but the death doesn't happen without Scar's direct action. From a pedantic perspective this could apply to Balon's death as well - even if it's the ocean that drowned him, it was Euron's throw that put him into that situation (and scorekeeping is all about pedantry =P).

I think we can expand on kills commanded here and ultimately include those under a subset of "inevitable death situation" rules:
I. The killer forces the victim into the situation against their will
II. The situation leads to *inevitable* death
II.I. The entity or force that directly kills the victim needs no skill or decision-making to make the kill, aside from following the commands of the killer.
III. The directly killer still gets rewarded duplicate kill points, if applicable.

What that means for the scenarios we've talked about:
1. Executions like Ned's and Fat Walda's (previously covered by Commanded Kills) are included, since the victims are imprisoned (forced into situation), and could do nothing to avoid death (inevitable). This should be the same whether it was a human killer (Ilyn Payne), controlled animals (Ramsay's hounds), as neither needed skill or decision-making (aside from following commands).

2. Scar throwing Mufasa into a canyon of stampeding buffalo is also included. Even without directly controlling the physical killers, the inevitability and lack of skill/decision-making is the same. Imagine if Ramsay throws Fat Walda into a pit of snakes instead.

3. Pushing the victim into a sword held by someone else would be a more nuanced case. As mentioned above, we don't want to get into judging the intent of the indirect killer here:

3a. The victim is shoved toward the sword-holder, who happens to have his sword positioned in a way that impales the victim. Included for the person-pusher, as no skill/decision or even actions were taken by the sword-holder. This would be the same as if the sword-holder was instead a jagged rock.

3b. The victim is shoved in the direction of the sword-holder, who must aim and position his weapon precisely to impale the victim. This would be excluded for the person-pusher, as it required skill/decision-making on the part of the sword-holder.

4. Most "noble suicides" are excluded by criteria I, because the victim willingly put themselves in it (still counted if they are physically killed by their own action, like Leaf's hand grenade).

5. In all above scenarios, the direct killer (Ilyn, Ramsay's hound, sword-holder) still gets credit. -nyan

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2016 May 26 dopeghoti likes this
I think that's definitely a fair way to approach it -bookworm13457

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2016 May 26

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

8:30 (+38) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys commands her dragons to rain fire down onto one of the slaver ships attacking Meereen. 19 slaver soldiers are shown dying in the ensuing firestorm, as the ship collapses and sinks. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Similar to Bronn's wildfire explosion on the Blackwater (http://fantasora.com/event/1151), the whole ship went down with probably dozens if not hundreds of soldiers onboard, but it'd be impossible to speculate what that count would be. The 19 deaths here are based on the number of burning or otherwise injured soldiers shown on-screen.

Below you can find a log of each kill with a handy screenshot for reference: https://imgur.com/a/PR8RV

1-2. Two soldiers standing directly below as Drogon's first flame hits
3-5. Three soldiers caught in the flames from the fire on the central deck
6. Soldier on fire
7. Burning soldier collapsing onto the floor
8. Soldier ejected by first explosion during Drogon's flyover
9. Soldier still onboard ship in same explosion
10. Soldier thrown overboard in second explosion during Drogon's flyover
11. Soldier caught directly in flames of second explosion
12-14. Three burning soldiers
15. Silhouette of burning soldier against the inferno
16. Burning soldier falls overboard as ship begins to collapse
17. Soldier in water as ship collapses onto him
18. Soldier fall off the upper deck as the ship collapses
19. Second soldier falls off the upper deck as the ship collapses -nyan

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2016 Jun 20 bookworm13457, rajatnigam, alexanderdropkin, moonbaseu92 like this
So this only counts the ship that was burned by Daenerys atop the single dragon, but what about the deaths of the sailors from the other dragons? Ultimately, even though Jon Snow's kills in episode 9 were more personal and shown on screen, the amount of kills that Dany and her dragons committed far outweighed Jon's, thus she should not be trailing him for kills this episode.

I would suggest that the number of ships in the Master's Navy, which was hinted when the initial surrender talks were happening should be multiplied by the 19 we see die on screen. Each ship having 19 sailors evident on screen, but the entire navy is wiped out. I'd have to rewatch to get the exact figure he mentions, but I think it's either 100 or 1000. -mg.flanigan11

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2016 Jun 22
Dany does not destroy the entire navy. She saves much of it for herself to get across the sea. The only reasonable thing to do is only count the onscreen kills. -bookworm13457

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2016 Jun 22 nyan and righteous like this
The dragons are all attacking the one ship: https://imgur.com/a/N8p0M. It's just a display of power, as she wants to keep the rest of the ships to herself. Tyrion: "Thank you for the armada. Our Queen does love ships." -nyan

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10:23 (+10) Grey Worm :

Grey Worm swiftly slashes the throat of the slave master Razdal mo Eraz, after he offers up the the slaver Yezzzan zo Qaggaz to die as part of the terms of surrender to Daenerys. (Kill of Named Character)

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I don't see this as skill from Grey Worm. 1) The soldiers are fleeing because they're clearly outmatched by dragons and approaching Dothraki, this effectively makes the Masters prisoners of war. 2) Grey Worm is the best of the Unsullied (why he was named Captain) so a throat slash is not a feat for him, it's as mindless as a chef chopping carrots. I think he should split the total points with Dany because he sort of went against her orders by killing 2 instead of 1, but also fulfilled her order at the same time. So she should get points for 1 commanded kill and he should get points for a single kill. Since one is named and one is not, and Dany didn't name someone to kill, give her the unnamed kill and Grey Worm the named kill. -mg.flanigan11

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2016 Jun 22
We didn't even hear Dany order the kill(s), right? -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 22
We heard by proxy in situ that one was ordered, but that could easily have been a ruse (there could have been orders to kill all but the one singled out by the other two to kill, for example). But either way, they were not restrained or set up on a scaffold or anything; it's pretty clear that Grey Worm's slash was meant to catch them off-guard. Which takes skill. Points therefore for the Worm even if the kills were both ordered explicitly, in my opinion. -dopeghoti

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10:23 (+10) Grey Worm :

Grey Worm slashes the throat of Belicho Paenymion, the slave master from Volantis, after he and Razdal mo Eraz offer up the slave trader Yezzzan zo Qaggaz as a sacrifice for Daenerys' terms of surrender. (Kill of Named Character)

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Yes, if you think they're the same then there's not much of an argument for not counting "Belicho" as a named kill. We should try for some community consensus, since there's unfortunately no specific criteria for when we upgrade these characters to named status.

Hightower was a little more like White Walkers in that he proved to be a worthy "boss fight" adversary, while Forzo and "Belicho" would mostly be based on their dialogue/screentime being prominent enough. Another example could be the drunkard whose face was smashed in by the Mountain - he had a whole scene of just his dialogue, but was counted as an unnamed character.

It's also an option to revert the "named character" status from Forzo and/or Hightower as well. -nyan

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2016 Jun 21 dopeghoti likes this
I honestly didn't know the guys name who we are arguing about. But he was prominent enough to be at the parlay between dany and the masters, and at the parlay with tyrion so i would deem him a prominent character just like hightower, since i also didnt know his name. -cmwalken15

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To me he falls under the "boss character" definition. He's not just a random footsoldier, he's the representative from Volantis. Even if he isn't given a name, I think his status and role qualify him to be a "named kill." -alexanderdropkin

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Political Wins

Episode 1: The Red Woman

40:11 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys convinces Khal Moro to not rape her by mentioning that she is the widow of Khal Drogo.
Daenerys: "I was wife to Khal Dorgo, son of Khal Bharbo."
Khal Moro: "Khal Drogo is dead."
Daenerys: " I know. I burnt his body."
Khal Moro: "Forgive me. I did not know. It is forbidden to lie with a Khal's widow. No one will touch you. You have my word." (Convincing Argument)

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Episode 2: Home

5:31 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran discovers Hodor's real name - Willas - and that he used to be able to talk while going back to the future with the Three-Eyed Raven. (Secret Discovery)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

27:30 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys convinces her rescuers on a new escape plan
Daenerys: "We will *never* get out of Vaes Dothrak alive."
Jorah: "All we can do is try."
Daenerys: "No. We can do more than that. And you're going to help me." (Convincing Argument)

56:22 (+9) Daenerys Targaryen:

The Dothraki of Vaes Dothrak arrive at the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen and bow down to Daenerys as their new ruler, after she kills off all of the Khals by burning them alive in the Temple. Among them are Khal Moro's bloodrider Qhono, the High Priestess of the Dosh Khaleen, and the Lhazareen Khal widow. (New Follower/Prisoner)

56:28 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys claims dominion over Vaes Dothrak as the inhabits of the city bow down to her, after her burning of the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen and all of the ruling Khals inside of it. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

Episode 5: The Door

17:24 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran discovers the origins of the White Walkers - created by the Children of the Forest - during a warg visit to the past.
Bran: "It was you. You made the White Walkers."
Leaf: "We were at war. We were being slaughtered. Our sacred trees cut down. We needed to defend ourselves." (Secret Discovery)

29:47 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys overrules Jorah's decision to leave her: "Do not walk away from your Queen, Jorah the Andal. You have not been dismissed. You swore to obey my commands for the rest of your life. Well, I command you to find the cure wherever it is in this world. I command you to heal yourself and then return to me." (Executive Decision)

32:04 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

High Priestess Kinvara signs on to Team Daenerys as the Lord of HYPE.

"You don't need to persuade me. I came to help. Daenerys Stormborn is the one who was promised. From the fire she was reborn to remake the world ... I will summon my most eloquent priests. They will spread the word. Daenerys has been sent to lead the people against the darkness in this war and in the great war still to come." (New Follower/Prisoner)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

39:04 (+3) White Walker (Night King):

The White Walker King discovers the location of Bran and the Three-Eyed Raven after Bran's unsupervised usage of the Weirwood Palantir. (Secret Discovery)

45:24 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran's status as the Three Eyed Raven is confirmed by Benjen: "You are the Three-Eyed Raven now." (New Title)

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51:57 (+3) White Walker (Night King):

The White Walkers defeat the magical defenses of the Children of the Forest, slaughtering Leaf and her companions and killing the Three-Eyed Raven with their horde of wights. (Victorious Battle)

53:44 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran discovers the origin of Hodor's name and condition during a visit to Winterfell's past where he wargs into a young Wylas and gives him a vision of his ultimate demise years in the future at the Door. (Secret Discovery)

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Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

48:41 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

After burning down the Vaes Dothrak gym, Daenerys earns the appropriate badge to regain control over Drogon, riding him in dramatic fashion over her crowd of Dothraki followers. (New Follower/Prisoner)

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Anyway, the scene was kinda poorly scripted; but just the point of flying in there on a fucking huge dragon and shouting epic shit at people with blades in their hands was such an incredibly badass move that she definitely needed to get points for it, no matter what :D I know it's rather impossible to score, but Dany's special should be "performing acts of exceptional badassery/awesomeness" -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 1
Love this description! -dneanover

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Judging from his facial expression, this probably wasn't exactely the same thing Daaribro had in mind when talking about "riding the dragon" a few episodes ago :o -Lem Lemoncake

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Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

9:12 (+3) Grey Worm :

After Daenerys' awe-inspiring display of burnination, Grey Worm convinces the slave masters' guards to abandon their post. "You men have a choice: fight and die for masters who would never fight and die for you, or go home to your families." They promptly drop their swords and flee. (Convincing Argument)

11:03 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys wins the Battle of Meereen with a terrorizing display of fire and blood with her three unleashed dragons.
Tyrion to Yezzan: "Tell your people what happened here. Tell them you live by the grace of Her Majesty. When they come forward with notions of retribution or ideas about returning the slave cities to their former glory, remind them what happened when Daenerys Stormborn and her dragons came to Meereen." (Victorious Battle)

30:04 (+6) Daenerys Targaryen:

Yara and Theon Greyjoy pledge themselves and the Iron Fleet to Daenerys' cause, in return for helping them retake the Iron Islands and defeat their uncle, Euron Greyjoy.

Daenerys: "You will support my claim as queen of the Seven Kingdoms and respect the integrity of the Seven Kingdoms. No more reaving, roving, raiding, or raping."
Yara: "That's our way of life."
Daenerys: "No more."
Yara: "No more." (New Follower/Prisoner)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

43:11 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys convinces Daario to accept his assignment to stay behind in Meereen as its ruler.
Daario: "You'll get that throne you want so badly, I'm sure of it. I hope it brings you happiness. I pity the lords of Westeros. They have no idea what's coming for them." (Convincing Argument)

46:12 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

As they begin plans to sail to Westeros, Tyrion Lannister professes his belief in Daenerys and pledges his services to her.

Tyrion Lannister: "For what it's worth, I've been a cynic for as long as I can remember. Everyone's always asking me to believe in things - family, gods, kings, myself. It was often tempting until I saw where belief got people. So I said no, thank you to belief. And yet here I am. I believe in you. It's embarrassing, really. I'd swear you my sword, but I don't actually own a sword."
Daenerys: "It's your counsel I need."
Tyrion: "It's yours. Now and always." (New Follower/Prisoner)

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I don't know about this, because he was already a follower, starting last season. This is like saying Davos is officially following Jon Snow, when he's been following him for seasons -skywalkerdude

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2016 Jun 27 righteous and jedjackoway like this
Agreed. Tyrion definitely gets points for a new title, but I don't think Daenerys should get points because Tyrion is not a new follower. -nick.embrey

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2016 Jun 27
But he made a vow this episode to her. -mg.flanigan11

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2016 Jun 27 nyan likes this
I guess it depends on when a follower is added? Not sure of the ruling if, say, a follower left then came back like maybe Jorah? Would it count twice? Also, if the follower is only counted once ever, I suppose a submission could be made at this point that Daenerys should gain the sand snakes and Olenna since Varys appears at the end in their discussion, surely this is meant to be her landing zone - Dorne. -mg.flanigan11

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2016 Jun 27
I feel like it should come down to whether or not Tyrion has been scored as Dany's follower yet, either this season or last. -jedjackoway

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2016 Jun 28 alexanderdropkin likes this
On the parallel to Davos, I've actually added his Jon Snow follower points here: http://fantasora.com/event/3026. It's a very similar situation in that the characters clearly became a follower at some point, but in a very gradual process. I'm not sure how to score these aside from waiting for a semi-official kind of moment.

Looking through, I actually can't find a Daenerys score for Tyrion as a follower in S5. It's possible this was an oversight, but unless someone can pinpoint a more official declaration of allegiance for Tyrion before this, this seems like the moment for him. -nyan

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57:13 (+3) Bran Stark:

Through a warg flashback, Bran discovers Jon Snow's true heritage as the son of Lyanna Stark. (Secret Discovery)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

31:55 (+3) Grand Maester Pycelle:

"And what he's done to Gregor Clegane, is an abomination. We never sanctioned this, this... experiment, and I for one think it is in our best interest to have this beast destr- *gas leak*" (Funny Line)

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Looking back at S5, this is the only one I can find for Camp 3: http://fantasora.com/event/1874

The Varys tsk and Pycelle fart are in a similar quality ballpark, IMO.

Maybe the line should be drawn for Camp 3 that it must be dialogue-based humor? Would qualify the S5 Jorah nod, Varys tsk, and Pycelle fart (which is ultimately funny because he just spent the preceding 5 lines ranting about "the abomination of Ser Gregor"), but would cut off purely action-based slapstick or situational humor. -nyan

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2016 May 11 nsimmonds likes this
Personally, I'm in camps 1 and 2. We're drafting characters, and not screenwriters, after all. -dopeghoti

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2016 May 13
We'll add this Pycelle fart in, and try for including Camp 3 with the "dialogue-based humor" restriction, meaning that the humor must at least be a reaction to, or set up by some spoken dialogue. -nyan

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2016 May 16

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

20:38 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Daario: "Oh, I don't want to fight you, Jorah the Andal. What do I have to gain? If I win, I'm the shit who killed an old man. If I lose, I'm the shit who was killed by an old man."
Jorah: "You didn't get much discipline as a child, did you?" (Witty Insult)

53:14 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

to the Dothraki Khals: "And here, now, what great matters do the Great Khals discuss? Which little villages you'll raid, how many girls you'll get to fuck, how many horses you'll demand in tribute. You are small men. None of you are fit to lead the Dothraki." (Witty Insult)

Episode 8: No One

29:10 (+3) Grey Worm :

Missandei: "Two translators are on a sinking ship. The first says, 'Do you know how to swim?' The second says, 'No, but I can shout for help in 19 languages.'"
Tyrion: *feigned laughter*
Grey Worm: "That is the worst joke I ever heard." (Funny Line)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

45:19 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys: "Do you know what frightens me? I said farewell to a man who loves me. A man I thought I cared for. And I felt nothing. Just impatient to get on with it."
Tyrion: "He wasn't the first to love you and he won't be the last."
Daenerys: "Well, you have completely failed to console me." (Funny Line)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

Episode 8: No One

26:51 (+5) Grey Worm :

Grey Worm drinks his first cup of wine. Tyrion: "Here's to our Queen. Anyone not drinking is disrespecting our Queen." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

40:23 (+5) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys drinks a glass of wine as Daario enters her chambers. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

55:58 (+15) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys emerges outside of the burning Temple of the Dosh Khaleen, with her clothes burned away, but unharmed. (Non-sexual Nude Scene)

Guess I was wrong about the actress saying no more nude scenes. Maybe she meant nude scenes where she isn't bathed in fire. -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 May 16 righteous, nyan, jedjackoway like this
In response to the comment above this:

There is a interview with Emilia Clarke specifically about this scene. She agreed to do a nude scene if it was in private. So they filmed her I believe in Belfast on a "closed set" with only a couple of people. The rest of the scene was filmed in Spain I think and basically they used CGI to make it look like Khaleesi/Emilia was actually there with everyone else. -marksizzle

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2016 May 16 nyan and taylorreneegoodrich like this
We were actually debating at my viewing party if they CGI'ed her body and that's why the nudity was included.

Or maybe she was just trying to throw off Fantasora drafts!! -coconnor723

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Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

4:56 (+5) Grand Maester Pycelle:

Pycelle gets dressed for the Trials by Seven after a session with a prostitute. (Act of Intercourse)

Deaths

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

46:00 (+10) Rickon Stark:

Smalljon Umber brings Ramsay the severed head of Rickon Stark's direwolf, Shaggydog, to prove his prisoner's identity. (Death)

Does Rickon get +1 point per episode for dead Shaggydog going forward? I'm not sure how this works -apayne270

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2016 May 9 dopeghoti, julian.aronowitz, jedjackoway like this
Yes, Shaggydog gets scored just like regular characters except his points are given to Rickon. So if Rickon dies next episode, he'll be in a unique position to be receiving +2 post-episode death points thereafter. -nyan

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2016 May 9 apayne270 likes this
I'm not convinced this is actually Shaggydog. What if it turns out to be another direwolf later? -nsimmonds

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2016 May 9 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°), Lem Lemoncake, nyan like this
@nsimmonds this is my hunch as well... I'm expecting to have a big debate over this if it comes to pass, and unfortunately we don't have good precedents for what too do about it. There was a switcheroo for Theon's kill of the farmboys in S2, but that was during a rewatch so we knew it happened, and didn't grant the scores accordingly. -nyan

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2016 May 9
It makes no sense to fake Shaggydog but deliver the real Rickon. The only reason to fake Shaggydog would be if the whole thing is a ruse...if you're only going to fake half, clearly you fake Rickon and keep the real maybe-last-surviving-Stark safe. -jedjackoway

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2016 May 9 bookworm13457 likes this
Pretty much we have to count the points here, the severed head is about as confirmed dead as you can get (else we second-guess every death on the show). The two options I can think of are:

1. Retroactively remove the points if the ruse is revealed later. Potentially upsets expectations if it changes scoring/wins from a long time ago (and what about season-spanning deception?)

2. Count the kills/death as they are apparently, and let the points stick. This allows for the same Characters to get multiple kill/death points, which was previously only allowed for very special cases (Jaqen H'ghar, Beric Dondarrion). Only exception is if the reveal happens in the same episode.

Leaning towards the second, as it's the easier way to keep consistent scoring (and not risk spoilers for late-watchers). -nyan

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2016 May 9

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

+1 for Rickon Stark

Episode 5: The Door

51:13 (+10) Bran Stark:

Summer is cut down by a horde of wights in the Three-Eyed Raven's cavern as Bran, Meera, and Hodor make their escape. (Death)

+1 for Rickon Stark

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

+1 for Bran Stark, +1 for Rickon Stark

Episode 7: The Broken Man

+1 for Bran Stark, +1 for Rickon Stark

Episode 8: No One

+1 for Bran Stark, +1 for Rickon Stark

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

14:39 (+0) Rickon Stark:

Smalljon Umber tosses out Shaggydog's severed head to prove to Jon and Sansa that they have Rickon as their prisoner. (Dead Body Appearance)

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Just out of curiosity: When Robb's corpse with Grey Wind's head sewn on top of it is shown, would Robb receive double points? :D -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 22 nyan and dopeghoti like this
I'd say so. One score for Robb, and one score for Grey Wind, who scores for Robb. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 22
I'm so glad we changed the death scoring to this from the automatic 1pt. The scoring possibilities for the rewatch are going to be delicious. -nyan

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2016 Jun 22 Lem Lemoncake likes this

35:44 (+10) Rickon Stark:

Rickon is killed by an arrow through his chest by Ramsay Bolton, after being given a chance to run to freedom towards the Stark army. (Death)

+1 for Bran Stark, +1 for Rickon Stark

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

13:16 (+10) Grand Maester Pycelle:

Grand Maester Pycelle is viciously stabbed to death by Qyburn's Little Birds after he is lured to his laboratory.
Qyburn: "This pains me, my lord. Whatever your faults, you do not deserve to die alone in such a cold, dark place. But sometimes before we can usher in the new, the old must be put to rest." (Death)

Give the Grand Maester a shoutout for going down delivering a slapfest on a couple of little kids: https://i.imgur.com/or19ntx.jpg -nyan

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2016 Jun 27 jedjackoway and stephen.davignon like this
Why are all these deaths worth 5 pts? Is it because scores aren't official yet? -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 28
The Episode result pages use the Ruleset 4.0 weights by default, which give 5 points for deaths. If your league uses the original Ruleset 3.1, it'll show up as the regular 10 point death on your league pages. -nyan

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2016 Jun 28 alicehanners and alexanderdropkin like this

17:27 (+10) Loras Tyrell:

Loras Tyrell is engulfed as the wildfire explosion rips through the Sept of Baelor, destroying the entire section of King's Landing and killing all those inside. (Death)

+1 for Bran Stark, +1 for Rickon Stark, +1 for Rickon Stark

Special

Episode 1: The Red Woman

33:27 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Daario Naharis calls out Jorah's friendzone status like he sees it:
Jorah: "I've been all over the world. There's no escaping men like us."
Daario: "There's no escaping her, eh? You keep coming back. Why?"
Jorah: "You know why."
Daario: "Isn't it frustrating wanting someone who doesn't want you back?" (Special)

Is this really Jorah's special, though? Dany isn't leading him on, they're just talking about it. -alicehanners

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2016 Apr 26 mariahwestfall3 likes this
Yeah, pretty disappointed that this counts as being friendzoned -paolarodelas

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2016 Apr 26
There was actually a last-minute change to clarify Jorah's special a bit - the old text was "Daneerys leads him on", and it's now "gets friendzoned". Paola has a fair point that it may not count even then - it's really Daario jabbing at/referencing his friendzone status, and not actually Daenerys putting him in it. If others feel this shouldn't count, we'll take it out. -nyan

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2016 Apr 26 as38 likes this
I think whining about the vassalzone should count. You can practically see the fedora in this scene. -nsimmonds

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2016 Apr 26

34:20 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Jorah corrects Daario with the proper Essos terminology.
Daario: "Huh... an army?"
Jorah: "Not an army. A horde." (Special)

Episode 2: Home

2:33 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran taps into the weirwood net with the assistance of the Three-Eyed Raven, and visits a scene of a yound Ned and Benjen Stark play-fighting in Winterfell. (Special)

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We see Bran Warging in the beginning of the episode. He lets go (that's 1).

Then we see him Warg again, into the Ned/Willis Scene (That's 2). -klov3r

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2016 May 3
warg -emilien.raggi

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2016 May 3
@klov3r I don't think there was anything aside from the flashback to Winterfell scene. We get the GoT title sequence, then a fade-in of Bran and Three-Eyed Raven stoned out among the weirwood branches with their eyes whited out. Then we just cut immediately to Ned and Benjen fighting. -nyan

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2016 May 3

21:24 (+6) Grey Worm :

After getting some R&R from hands-on fighting Grey Worm and hitting the books (his pet name for Missandei), Grey Worm shows off his expanding vocabulary with his first ever three-syllable words in the Westerosi common tongue.

in Meereenese council meeting: "We are searching for the men who burned the ships, but *nobody* saw *anything*." (Special)

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Episode 3: Oathbreaker

12:24 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran visits a scene from the past, watching his father Eddard Stark and his bannermen face off against two Targaryen Kingsguard. (Special)

28:09 (+3) Grey Worm :

Grey Worm with the second episode in a row with a three-syllable word:
"We conquered Astapor and Yunkai once. We will do it again and *execute* the Masters." (Special)

33:53 (+3) Grand Maester Pycelle:

Pycelle takes several steps as he quickly shuffles past Gregor Clegane on his way out of the Small Council room. (Special)

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Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

12:40 (+9) Grey Worm :

Grey Worm remarks on the arriving slave masters from Yunkai and Astapor. "You invite the *enemy* into our city... I don't make peace with the Queen's *enemies*, I kill the Queen's *enemies*." (Special)

14:08 (+3) Grey Worm :

Missandei: "...hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children still lived in chains-"
Razdal mo Eraz: "As they have since the dawn of time."
Grey Worm: "Not *anymore*". (Special)

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18:42 (+3) Grey Worm :

to Tyrion: "I am loyal to my Queen, not you. If you betray her work, you are my *enemy*." (Special)

19:13 (+3) Grey Worm :

to Tyrion: "You don't know them (the slave masters), you don't *understand* them. We are not human in their eyes." (Special)

20:28 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Friendzone ribbing from alpha-male Daario
Daario Naharis: "It must make you angry, that our Queen chose me."
Jorah: "It makes me sad. You'll disappoint her before long, she'll move on." (Special)

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Good call here; this seems quite similar to the previous Daario to Jorah lines that were counted. -jedjackoway

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2016 May 17
Maybe this is getting a little nitty-gritty into friendzones from an veteran friendzoner, but I thought of this as more of a straight insult about Jorah's age/stamina. The friendzone is more about how close you are platonically to someone, while not being anywhere remotely close to getting with them in romantic/physical terms. Daario doesn't take any shots at that aspect of Jorah/Daenerys' relationship here. -nyan

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2016 May 17
I felt the comment about Daenerys choosing Daario over him was a bit of a personal blow, a bit cocky for him to say to Jorah's face. -cjcookart

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2016 May 17
Ah, was focused on the first part and glossed over that point about choosing him. I think it'll qualify as friendzone ribbing. -nyan

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2016 May 18
I thought he'd only get points when being friendzoned by Daenerys.. like being rejected and stuff. But then again, this probably won't happen a lot anymore in the series and seems to have become replaced by Daario poking into the friendzone-wound :o -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 May 18

21:03 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Jorah the Explorah gives Daario this week's culture lesson on Dothraki city layout.
"The road running through the Horse Gate, they call that the Godsway. Eastern Market, Western Market. When Khal Drogo died, she was supposed to come here and join the Dosh Khaleen, the widows of the dead Khals. That's where they'll have taken her. The Temple of the Dosh Khaleen." (Special)

25:10 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Jorah reminds Daario about the rules of engagement in Vaes Dothrak: "If they find a body with a stab wound, the whole city will be looking for us." (Special)

35:13 (+6) Grand Maester Pycelle:

Pycelle walks two arduous marathons after Cersei shows up and gives him the boot from King Tommen's quarters.
The 400m: 5 steps immediately as Cersei enters the room
The 10k: 23 step traversal to get around the table and out the door. (Special)

Was expecting him to take a pit stop in that open chair out of sheer exhaustion. -coconnor723

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2016 May 16 nyan likes this
I counted more than ten steps. Granted, he did not stop, but should this only count once, or twice? -dopeghoti

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2016 May 16
@dopeghoti it's walks of 5 or more steps, which can be broken up by pauses. He does pause at the very end when he passes Cersei, but we don't see him take another 5 out of that (he just quickly moves out of frame). -nyan

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2016 May 16
He does take 5 visible little steps towards the table after Cersei enters the room ("I am advising the king on our current predicament...") and another 5 steps towards Tommen ("Obviously not, I am here to lend my wisdom and my support") before his long exit. -Ser Vincent

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2016 May 16 nyan likes this
Great catch @Ser Vincent. There's a bit of a half-shuffle cheat for step#1, iffy pause, and then 4 steps after that before the cutaway. Probably doesn't pass muster for an NBA double-dribble violation, but we'll give the lethargic Pycelle the benefit of the doubt: https://gfycat.com/FondLongGenet -nyan

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2016 May 18 Ser Vincent likes this

Episode 5: The Door

16:02 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran taps into the weirwood.net with the Three-Eyed Raven to revisit a scene with the Children of the Forest at the Weirwood tree. (Special)

28:19 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Jorah admits his love for Daenerys after revealing his fatal greyscale infection. "Tyrion Lannister was right. I love you. I'll always love you. Good-bye, Khaleesi." (Special)

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36:51 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran taps into weirwood.net while the Three-Eyed Raven is asleep, jumping into a vision of a frozen wasteland surrounded by wights and the White Walkers. (Special)

47:25 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran has a vision of the day his young father departed Winterfell for the Vale. (Special)

50:27 (+3) Bran Stark:

While embedded in a vision of Winterfell's past, Bran subconsciously wargs into Hodor in the present time so that they can escape from the White Walker horde approaching the cavern of the Three-Eyed Raven. (Special)

53:44 (+3) Bran Stark:

While visiting a flashback in Winterfell's past, Bran wargs into a young Wylas, giving him a vision of his present day demise while holding the Door to allow Bran and Meera time to escape the White Walker horde. (Special)

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Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

2:20 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran progresses through a series of flashback visions as Meera drags him throw the snow. (Special)

Episode 8: No One

28:20 (+3) Grey Worm :

After Tyrion's joke during the Meereenese council meeting.
Tyrion: "...it's funnier in Westeros."
Greyworm: "The Starks and the Lannisters. I thought these were *enemies*." (Special)

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43:19 (+6) Grey Worm :

Advanced battle tactics require advanced vocabulary: "If we go to the beach, the Masters will take the *pyramid*. The *pyramid* is the only place in the city we can defend." (Special)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

5:10 (+3) Grand Maester Pycelle:

Pycelle makes it 11 steps while walking down the stairs from his chambers, before one of Qyburn's Little Birds calls him back to deliver a message. He begrudingly turns around to begin the trek back. (Special)

11:32 (+3) Grand Maester Pycelle:

Pycelle just makes it 6 steps into Qyburn's laboratory before stopping. (Special)

54:37 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran attempts his first weirwood.net session since leaving the cavern of the Three-Eyed Raven, flashing back to his father at the tower holding Lyanna Stark.
Meera Reed: "Are you sure you're ready for this?"
Bran: "I'm the Three-Eyed Raven now. I have to be ready for this." (Special)

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