Matchup: The Return of the King vs Jacqen-the-box for Ep 1

The Return of the King (tareef.jafferi)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Insults	Thrones	Special	Feels
Jon Snow	#3	32	6	3	2	3	18
Gendry	#31	11	0	0	0	6	5
Eddison Tollett	#45	3	0	0	0	0	3
Davos Seaworth	#17	3	0	0	0	3	0
Robett Glover	#59	0	0	0	0	0	0
actor: Toby Osmond	#54	0	0	0	0	0	0
Brienne of Tarth	#12	0	0	0	0	0	0
Meera Reed	#40	0	0	0	0	0	0
actress: Emer McDaid	#68	0	0	0	0	0	0
Jaqen H'ghar	#26	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		49	6	3	2	12	26

Jacqen-the-box (jackchanhom)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Sex	Thrones	Deaths	Special	Feels
Cersei Lannister	#1	28	0	6	3	5	5	6	0	3	0
Theon Greyjoy	#15	15	4	6	0	0	0	0	0	0	5
Beric Dondarrion	#29	13	10	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	0
Ned Umber	#70	10	0	0	0	0	0	0	10	0	0
Sandor Clegane (The Hound)	#14	9	0	3	6	0	0	0	0	0	0
Greasy-haired White Walkers This is a clean-shaven White Walker with long greasy hair, one f the Night King's lieutenants. He was present at the dragon battle at the Frozen Lake.	#43	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Tycho Nestoris	#57	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Grey Worm	#28	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Top-Knot White Walkers One of the Night King's lieutenants, this is the White Walker who grabs the ice spear and hands it to the Night Walker during the dragon battle at the frozen lake.	#42	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Hallyne (Pyromancer)	#56	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		75	14	15	9	5	5	6	10	6	5

Kills

27:15 (+2) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon kills a member of Euron's crew as he leads a squad of Ironborn on a rescue mission to save his sister Yara Greyjoy. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

submitted by kevinreading66 (approved!)

Original submission: "Theon and his team board the boat to save Yara, 4 arrows are used to kill people working on the boat. The camera then cuts to Theon and his team with Theon at the front with his bow and arrow cocked, surely he deserves some points for these kills?"

There were actually 5 kills and on-screen we see a squad of 4 (including Theon). Given the scenario I've scored 1 for Theon (Euron's men were killed in quick succession, so presumably they all landed their shots).

For future references, I *would* say this is a bit of a grey(joy) area, with the fudged assumption that they didn't have time to reload much, so Theon must've landed his first shot. If there were 5 arrow kills and Theon had boarded with 20 goodmen, I don't think he would have gotten any points. Similar for 200 arrow kills and 20 men shooting, or if we saw arrows flying around and missing. These scenarios would put enough plausibility that Theon did not land his shots.

The scoring criteria wants to see strong attribution happen on-screen, else we have submissions like "Tormund and Jon were like 2/10 of soldiers in the Battle of Bastards at this point and there's a pile of 150 bodies around them, clearly they did 20% of those kills". It ends up cheapening the points for legitimate kills the characters do 1:1. -nyan

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2019 Apr 16
Also so much for having a crew of elite mutes who can't warn each other in the event of a surprise attack, eh Euron? -nyan

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27:34 (+2) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon throws an axe into the skull of the Ironborn soldier guarding Yara Greyjoy. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

51:50 (+10) Beric Dondarrion:

As the wight version of Ned Umber reawakens on the wall of the keep, Beric stabs the wight with his burning sword, lighting the body on fire and disposing of the wight for good. (Kill of Named Character)

The initial kill should be credited to The Night King or Wight Army. Just saying. -imonaship12

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2019 Apr 15
We don't know swho did the kill. It could be any number of Wight riders, Wights or the Night King. -klov3r

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2019 Apr 15 mlopez, kailin, nyan like this
It was said on screen that its a message from the Night King- there should be at least some credit for that -Grog

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2019 Apr 15 reece.ristau, Nick the Irish, jessikatieshih, craigdietz20 like this
That flaming sword is so goddamn useful. -iris.hsu

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2019 Apr 15 nyan and mlopez like this
"A message from the night king" doesn't constitute the kill though. We've seen other walkers do this. Like in S1E1. Trust me, I'd love the points. I have him on my team. But it's not enough. The night king could be in control of someone who killed him, etc. -klov3r

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2019 Apr 16
Scores have been added for the Night King winning the battle and conquering the Last Hearth (these were missed previously). I think we might also consider that any named characters reappearing as wights count as "Followers" of the Night King even if we don't see it happen (this can be made explicit by a Special scoring rule). Proposal here: https://fantasora.com/event/3959 -nyan

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2019 Apr 16

Political Wins

20:34 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei gains the sellsword services of the Golden Company.
Cersei: "In any event, you are most welcome here in King's Landing, Captain Strickland."
Harry Stickland: "We look forward to fighting on your behalf, Your Grace." (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

20:34 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Along with the Golden Company, Cersei gains their Captain Harry Strickland as a follower. (New Follower/Prisoner)

27:53 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

After sneaking aboard Euron's ship, Theon frees his sister Yara. (New Follower/Prisoner)

29:07 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

Yara: "You want to go to Wintefell. To fight for the Starks. Go. What is dead may never die."
Theon: "What is dead may never die." (House Words)

33:29 (+3) Jon Snow:

Rhaegal accepts Jon as a dragonrider as they take flight for the first time.
Jon: "I don't know how to ride a dragon."
Daenerys: "Nobody does. Until they ride a dragon." (New Follower/Prisoner)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

This is not explicitly in the rules, but I was thinking of setting this as a precedent - the first time a dragon and dragonrider pair up, it will be scored like a New Follower event for both. It's a bit like two characters agreeing to form an alliance. Any thoughts or protests to this? -nyan

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2019 Apr 15 dlapato likes this
Actually I forget that I did make it explicit for Rhaegal. Do people feel Jon is deserving of similar points for this? -nyan

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2019 Apr 15 the_catherine316, olinnbroderick3, ashjohri, gravesalex0, 6 others like this
It's kind of like acquiring a new weapon in a sense? -the_catherine316

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2019 Apr 15
I think we'd need to see if this happens again. I'm not sure riding him once is significant. -alicehanners

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2019 Apr 18

37:01 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Sandor receives a massive dragonglass battleaxe forged by Gendry, and thanks him with insults.
"You know who makes weapons for the Wildlings? Cripples and cocksuckers - which one are you?" (New Weapon)

46:46 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon finds out his true lineage as the trueborn son of Rhaegaer Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, and potentially the rightful King of the Seven Kingdoms.
Sam: "I had a High Septon's diary. Bran had... whatever Bran has. ... Your mother was Lyanna Stark. And your father - your real father - was Rhaegar Targaryen. You've never been a bastard. You're Aegon Targaryen, true heir to the Iron Throne." (Secret Discovery)

submitted by cereith717 (approved!)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

25:23 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

"I wanted those elephants." (Funny Line)

35:36 (+3) Jon Snow:

to Daenerys, after his first dragon flight with Rhaegal: "You've completely ruined horses for me." (Funny Line)

37:05 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Sandor thanks Gendry for his new battleaxe, forged from dragonglass.
"You know who makes weapons for the Wildlings? Cripples and cocksuckers - which one are you?" (Witty Insult)

37:42 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

"You're a cold little bitch aren't you? I guess that's why you're still alive." (Witty Insult)

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Glasses of Wine Consumed

25:43 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei sips from her glass while Euron asks her about his performance in bed. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

25:25 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei chats with Euron after a romp in her chambers. (Act of Intercourse)

A Game of Thrones

9:53 (+1) Jon Snow:

Jon sits at the head of the table alongside Sansa as they host the Northern Lords at Winterfell. (Basic Seat)

11:52 (+1) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow takes a seat after responding to Lyanna Mormont's call out.

"...when I left Winterfell, I told you we need allies or we will die. I have brought those allies home to fight alongside us. I had a choice, keep my crown or protect the North. I chose the North." (Basic Seat)

19:58 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei greets the captain of the Golden Company, Harry Strickland, from the Iron Throne. (Iron Throne)

25:32 (+1) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei sits down with a glass of wine in her bedchambers after her session with Euron Greyjoy. (Basic Seat)

Deaths

51:25 (+5) Ned Umber:

Young Ned Umber is found impaled to the wall of his keep, surrounded by a macabre arrangement of White Walker art. (Death)

52:09 (+5) Ned Umber:

Ned Umber dies again as a wight after being lit on fire by Beric Dondarrion. (Death)

Special

22:09 (+3) Jon Snow:

Samwell Tarly: "You've never been a bastard." (Special)

25:53 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Euron: "How do I compare? To the fat king."
Cersei: "Robert had a different whore every night, but he still didn't know his way around a woman's body."
Euron: "And the Kingslayer?" (Special)

29:51 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Varys (observing banners): "The Karstarks."
Davos: "One of the better sigils. Beats an onion, anyway." (Special)

36:40 (+3) Gendry:

Gendry pours out the crucible of molten dragonglass, using it to cast obsidian arrowheads. (Special)

36:55 (+3) Gendry:

Gendry shows off the huge dragonglass battleaxe he forged. "It isn't easy making a blade that big with dragonglass." (Special)

50:37 (+3) Beric Dondarrion:

Beric lights up his flaming sword so everyone can finally see what's going on in this dark-ass scene. (Special)

The Feels

8:24 (+5) Jon Snow:

Jon arrives back home to Winterfell and embraces Bran, as Jon sees him for the first time in 7 seasons.
Jon: "Look at you. You're a man."
Bran: "Almost." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)

16:00 (+5) Jon Snow:

Arya and Jon finally reunite in the Godswood of Winterfell and compare their fancy swords.
Arya: "I'm defending our family. And so is she (Sansa)."
Jon: "I'm her family too."
Arya: "Don't forget that." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)

29:17 (+5) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon and Yara share an embrace before they part ways to fight their separate parts of the war.
Yara: "You want to go to Wintefell. To fight for the Starks. Go. What is dead may never die."
Theon: "What is dead may never die."
Yara: "But kill the bastards anyway." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)

36:05 (+5) Jon Snow:

After Bran issues a dire warning to everyone that the White Walkers are coming and how they don't have any time for this, Jon and Dany take a romantic getaway to the frost-covered waterfall on dragon-back.
Jon: "It's cold up here for a southern girl."
Dany: "So keep your Queen warm." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)

submitted by kremershell (approved!)

Should also count for Dany -kremershell

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2019 Apr 15
What points would this get? -the_catherine316

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2019 Apr 15
“Heartwarming moments that are so few and far between on the show, as well as a consolation score for the heart-wrenching ones.
Also, a "you done fucked up" score for big regrets (see rulebook for criteria).
+5pts Warm Fuzzy Moment
+1pt Sad Feels
+1pt I've made a huge mistake.”

I would consider it a warm fuzzy moment.
-kremershell

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2019 Apr 15
This whole sequence made me want to vomit but I guess nausea is a feeling... -nyan

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2019 Apr 15 elaine likes this
Hmmmm maaaaaaybe -the_catherine316

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2019 Apr 15
It's clearly a heartwarming moment... No secret political agendas... Just plain true love kiss... -redcatscar

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36:34 (+3) Jon Snow:

As he tries to get his makeout session on with Daenerys, Jon enters a staring contest with Drogon who is watching with great interest. (Ridiculously Funny Moment)

38:22 (+5) Gendry:

Arya and Gendry reunite in the Winterfell forge, and share some banter from their days on the road.
Gendry: "It's not a bad place to grow up, if it wasn't so cold."
Arya: "Stay close to that forge, then."
Gendry: "Is that a command, Lady Stark?"
Arya: "Don't call me that."
Gendry: "As you wish, m'lady." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)

50:39 (+3) Eddison Tollett:

Edd and Tormund Giantsbane stumble upon each other at the Last Hearth.

Edd: "Stand back, he's got blue eyes!"
Tormund: "I've always had blue eyes!!" (Ridiculously Funny Moment)

submitted by niketbp (approved!)

Considering adding a category for "funny moments", that would apply to the Drogon/Jon interaction as well. The problem I'm struggling with is how to properly reward vs just throwing out free points to everybody who shows up in a scene. The funny line gives a score to Tormund who is the one delivering the payoff, it doesn't feel equitable that Edd and especially Beric are getting points just for being there. -nyan

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2019 Apr 16 mlopez likes this
Hmm yeah that's difficult. Perhaps not Beric then, since he was just there, but maybe Ed because he was a part of that interaction though? Tough to say :/ -niketbp

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2019 Apr 16 mlopez likes this
I agree, I think Ed should get something for that exchange -mlopez

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2019 Apr 16
What would be great is if we could come up with the scoring rubric for who gets points in a "funny scene" so there's a consistent guideline for future episodes. Drogon, Jon, Edd, Tormund feel like the deserving characthers here. This is also something I'd nudge towards the Feels category. -nyan

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