Matchup: poopinglass vs Floppy Fish for Ep 1

poopinglass (angurtheconsumer)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Insults	Sex
Loras Tyrell The heir to Highgarden and regarded as one of the most skilled knights in Westeros. He is the brother of Margaery Tyrell.	#37	8	0	3	5
Daenerys Targaryen The last royal member of the Targaryen dynasty, Daenerys seeks to return home and reclaim the Iron Throne. With her three dragons and an army on Unsullied warriors, she has conquered several slave cities and rules over the city of Meereen.	#1	8	3	0	5
Robin Arryn The young, sickly son of Jon Arryn and Lysa Tully. He is Lord of the Vale, although Petyr Baelish serves as Lord Protector until he comes of age.	#36	0	0	0	0
Margaery Tyrell The daughter of Mace Tyrell, head of House Tyrell. Betrothed to King Tommen, she is the queen-to-be and active in the politics of King's Landing.	#13	0	0	0	0
Podrick Payne A squire who serves Tyrion Lannister.	#24	0	0	0	0
Grey Worm The leader of the Unsullied - a highly-trained army of slaves freed by Daenerys.	#25	0	0	0	0
Sansa Stark The second eldest Stark child. Though currently married to Tyrion Lannister, she has been smuggled into the Vale by Littlefinger, where she poses as his niece, Alayne Stone.	#12	0	0	0	0
Walder Frey The elderly Lord of the Twins and now Lord of Riverrun after his betrayal of Robb Stark and the Northern forces.	#48	0	0	0	0
Totals		16	3	3	10

Floppy Fish (arborbuttons)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Special
Jon Snow The bastard son of Ned Stark, and a member of the Night's Watch. He helped lead the defense of Castle Black against the Wildling siege.	#4	13	10	3
Hizdahr zo Loraq A son of one of the Meereenese slave masters - he appears in Daenerys' court to ask for his fathers body, after Daenerys crucifies all of the slavers in Meereen.	#40	0	0	0
Yara Greyjoy Theon's older sister, Yara was raised on the Iron Islands as a true Ironborn. She is a fearsome fighter and commands a longship of her own.	#45	0	0	0
Theon Greyjoy Heir to the Iron Islands, and formerly a ward of House Stark. Theon is currently a captive of Ramsay Bolton.	#16	0	0	0
Obara Sand One of Prince Oberyn Martell's bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes.	#33	0	0	0
Arya Stark The youngest of the Stark girls. She travels to Braavos to seek Jaqen H'gar.	#9	0	0	0
Alliser Thorne Formerly the master-of-arms at Castle Black, Thorne now serves as acting Lord Commander of the Night's Watch in the absence of Lord Commander Mormont.	#21	0	0	0
Jorah Mormont The exiled head of House Mormont. Jorah was previously one of Daenerys' most trusted advisors, but was banished when his time serving as a spy for Robert Baratheon was revealed to her.	#28	0	0	0
Totals		13	10	3

Kills

52:44 (+10) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow gives Mance a mercy kill, shooting an arrow through his heart before he is consumed by a burning pyre. (Kill of Named Character)

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To explain more about the philosophy, one of the important parts of the scorekeeping is that it can objectively follow definitions, without requiring judgment calls on the part of some scorekeeper (which can be subjective). In this case, I agree with both of you that Stannis probably "deserves" some credit - without his actions, Mance wouldn't have been put in a position to be killed. But "put in a position to be killed" is a little murky to make a rule for - how do you draw the line? Is it really Melisandre that puts him in that position because she starts the fire burning?

Given that, I think it's better to stick to the scoring definitions, because there's no subjectivity to them. And sometimes it results in a "deserving" character losing points, but that's fantasy sometimes - just like a football RB who hauls his team to the goal line, only for the backup to sub in and score the 1yd touchdown. -nyan

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2015 Apr 14 moonbaseu92 and coconnor723 like this
I agree with Nyan. Riddle me this: If someone (King A) commands his executioner (Brute) to kill the shopgirl (Lass), and Lass flees to Other Country where she is run over by a cart and dies, does King A get the point? Everyone's actions contribute. The point is, Mance was killed by Jon Snow. Jon Snow was NOT commanded to kill him by Stannis. Therefore, it's not a commanded kill. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 19
That's different because Mance didn't escape from the fire and run away while Jon shot at him to keep him from escaping. He was in the process of dying. Even if Jon hadn't intervened, he still would've been dead. I know Stannis won't get points for that, and I don't care, I'm just saying that I disagree with your example. -kas113

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2015 Apr 21 moonbaseu92 likes this

Political Wins

38:49 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys denies Hizdahr zo Loraq's request for the fighting pits to be re-opened.
Hizdahr: "They did ask for some concessions."
Daenerys: "Concessions?"
Hizdahr: "Politics is the art of compromise, Your Grace."
Daenerys: "I'm not a politician. I'm a queen."
...
Hizdahr: "In the new world that you've brought to us, free men would fight free men. The pit fighters you liberated plead for this opportunity. Bring some here and ask them yourself."
Daenerys: "No fighting pits."
Hizdahr: "Opening them would show the people of Yunkai and Meereen that you respect their traditions."
Daenerys: "I do not respect the tradition of human cockfighting."
Hizdahr: "If you could-"
Daenerys: "How many times must I say no before you understand?" (Politics - uncategorized)

Does Stannis not get points in episode one of this season for having Mance Raydar as his prisoner? Also during Mance Raydar's sentencing the other wildlings including Tormund Giantsbane are clearly shown in chains. We can also presume that they are also prisoners of Stannis. -Reaper

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2015 Apr 22 wpearsal likes this
He does get the politics points for that (new prisoner), but that capture and imprisonment happened last season in S4E10. -nyan

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2015 Apr 22
I thought so, but when i looked back at last season leagues Stannis never gets the points for the capture in that episode. So i thought it would transfer to this season because it was never made clear last season. -Reaper

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2015 Apr 22
Yeah, the S4 points are incomplete in that regard - the Politics category didn't exist when we played last year. We'll be doing a new rewatch for it (and recording these points) sometime after S5. -nyan

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2015 Apr 22

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

29:18 (+3) Loras Tyrell:

Loras lazily drones on to Cersei about the late Tywin: "what a... force to be reckoned with." (Funny Line)

Acts of Intercourse

32:02 (+5) Loras Tyrell:

Loras in bed with Olyvar, making pillowtalk about his birthmarks. (Act of Intercourse)

39:25 (+5) Daenerys Targaryen:

In bed with Daario, as they discuss the re-opening of the fighting pits. (Act of Intercourse)

If Nudity contributes extra points, how do all 4 of these people have 5 points? Olyver, Loras, and Daario were all nude. Daenerys' scene shouldn't count as nudity. She shows the same amount of skin when she's clothed. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 19
All of the sex scenes in the episode were actually counted as non-nude sex scenes - "rated R" nudity is the threshold, so unfortunately all those E1 butts were not counted. -nyan

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2015 Apr 20
BUTTS DON'T COUNT?!?!? NOOOOOOOO

I chose Daario purely for the butt shots! Augh D: -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 20
According to the MPAA, "nudity that is sexually oriented will generally require an R rating." (from wikipedia)

I WILL CAMPAIGN FOR BUTTS TO COUNT

WHO'S WITH ME!??! -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 20 moonbaseu92 likes this
http://www.filmratings.com/downloads/rating_rules.pdf

Page 7 and 8. That would mean Dany getting out of the bath as a challenge to Daario would NOT be rated R (it'd get a PG-13), but all three butts in that episode would (sexual context). -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 20
I'm not quite sure that interpretation of the MPAA guidelines is correct - I'm pretty sure the Dany bath scene from S3 would earn an R-rating, and the general bare butts we saw in S5E1 would still fall within PG-13.

That said, I'm not philosophically opposed to counting butts. Originally this was conceived as a "buff" for female characters to have more potential for sex points, but it's shown up sparingly enough that it wouldn't hugely upset the balance to count down. Here's a question though: would you want to grant a full 5x point multiplier (potentially 25pts) to a fully-nude female sex scene?

btw, this was established already in the rulebook: "individual boobs and lower-body genitalia", which excludes butts but was perhaps not explicit enough. Given that, it likely won't change since everyone has already drafted with the given ruleset and it would be unfair to suddenly change the scoring afterward. But I'm very open to the discussion for a future scoring change (S6 and beyond). -nyan

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2015 Apr 21 moonbaseu92 likes this

Special

23:07 (+3) Jon Snow:

Melisandre announces Jon Snow to Stannis: "Your Grace. The bastard of Winterfell." (Special)

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