The Pook who was Promised

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5-5, 22.5 roto pts (#2)
Z-Score: 0 (percentile: 50%)
Weeks at #1: 3
Categories won: Acts of Intercourse (40), Special (150)
Best Week: Episode 5: The Door (+5 roto points)
Team MVP: Daenerys Targaryen (picked #3, 162 points, 33.61% of team total)
Longest winstreak: W-2

Roster Stats

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Sex	Deaths	Special
Daenerys Targaryen The last royal member of the Targaryen dynasty, Daenerys and her three dragons have carved out a revolutionary empire in the east, liberating several slave cities and acquiring an army of Unsullied warriors. Her recent rule over the slave city of Meereen has been met with strife, however, and she currently finds herself lost with her largest dragon, Drogon, in Dothraki territory.	#3	162	94	42	6	5	15	0	0
Hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor. hodor.	-	110	1	0	0	0	0	10	99
Bran Stark The fourth of the Stark children. A greenseer and a warg, Bran has mystical visions of the future and the ability to leap into the minds of others to control them - power he is only beginning to tap into. His journeys north of the Wall have recently led him to the cave of the Three-eyed Raven and the Children of the Forest.	#14	76	19	15	0	0	0	15	27
Sandor Clegane (The Hound) A fearsome warrior known as the Hound. Sandor formerly served in the Kingsguard of Joffrey Baratheon and accompanied Arya Stark on her travels. He was left for dead after a fight with Brienne of Tarth.	-	53	28	0	15	5	5	0	0
Varys Formerly the Master of Whisperers in King's Landing, Varys controls a vast network of spies. After smuggling Tyrion Lannister to Essos, he reveals himself as a supporter of Daenerys Targaryen's claim to the Iron Throne. In Daenerys' absence, he serves with Tyrion Lannister and presides over the rule of Meereen.	#22	36	0	9	12	0	0	0	15
Melisandre A Red Priestess from Asshai, Melisandre served as a close advisor to Stannis Baratheon until she abandoned his cause at the Battle of Winterfell against the Boltons.	#19	29	0	6	3	0	20	0	0
Theon Greyjoy Heir to the Iron Islands, and formerly a ward of House Stark. Theon has been broken through torture by the hands of Ramsay Bolton, but has escaped Winterfell along with Sansa Stark during the chaos of the Battle of Winterfell.	#6	16	2	0	0	5	0	0	9
Daario Naharis Leader of the Second Sons, a sellsword company who now serves Daenerys Targaryen. He is also one of Daneerys' trusted advisors and her lover.	-	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Arya Stark The youngest of the Stark girls. Free-spirited and rebellious, Arya escaped the war-ravaged Westeros and currently resides in Braavos, where she trains under the face-changing assassin Jaqen H'ghar in the House of Black and White.	#11	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		482	144	72	36	15	40	25	150

Roster

charId	Character	Special
31	Daenerys Targaryen The last royal member of the Targaryen dynasty, Daenerys and her three dragons have carved out a revolutionary empire in the east, liberating several slave cities and acquiring an army of Unsullied warriors. Her recent rule over the slave city of Meereen has been met with strife, however, and she currently finds herself lost with her largest dragon, Drogon, in Dothraki territory.	* Announcing her titles: "Mother of Dragons", "Breaker of Chains", etc. (min. of 2 titles)
61	Theon Greyjoy Heir to the Iron Islands, and formerly a ward of House Stark. Theon has been broken through torture by the hands of Ramsay Bolton, but has escaped Winterfell along with Sansa Stark during the chaos of the Battle of Winterfell.	+1 point for scenes where Theon refers to himself as "Reek" +1 point when his missing manhood is referenced
7	Bran Stark The fourth of the Stark children. A greenseer and a warg, Bran has mystical visions of the future and the ability to leap into the minds of others to control them - power he is only beginning to tap into. His journeys north of the Wall have recently led him to the cave of the Three-eyed Raven and the Children of the Forest.	* Bran introducing himself into a scene by creepily staring at people * Summer's actions contribute to his points * Scores points for each scene where he breaks out of his tree-trance and shows any of the following emotions: sadness (visible tears), happiness (audible laughter or smiles with teeth), fear (audible screams) * Scores points for each instance he uses his Warg ability
52	Melisandre A Red Priestess from Asshai, Melisandre served as a close advisor to Stannis Baratheon until she abandoned his cause at the Battle of Winterfell against the Boltons.	* +1 point for mentioning that "the night is dark and full of terrors" * +1 each time she mentions a vision she sees in the flames
82	Varys Formerly the Master of Whisperers in King's Landing, Varys controls a vast network of spies. After smuggling Tyrion Lannister to Essos, he reveals himself as a supporter of Daenerys Targaryen's claim to the Iron Throne. In Daenerys' absence, he serves with Tyrion Lannister and presides over the rule of Meereen.	* +1 politics point when he meets another character in secret * +1 point when someone references his being a eunuch to him * +1 point when he passes along information from his "little birds"
81	Sandor Clegane (The Hound) A fearsome warrior known as the Hound. Sandor formerly served in the Kingsguard of Joffrey Baratheon and accompanied Arya Stark on her travels. He was left for dead after a fight with Brienne of Tarth.	* +1 point for scenes where he eats * 2x multiplier for actions performed while confronted by fire

Kills

Episode 1: The Red Woman

17:13 (+2) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon stabs a Bolton soldier through the back while he is battling Podrick Payne. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

32:57 (+2) Daenerys Targaryen:

Jorah and Daario discover the charred bones of a ram out on the hills near the Dothraki sea. It appears to be Drogon's work.

Daario: "You think our friend got him?"
Jorah: "Don't know anything else that can melt a ram's horn."
Daario: "We're on the right path, then." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

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So the one little bit of difference in my mind is that for the little kid, we see both the before and after. So it's a clear, "this happened during the course of the episode". The ram in this case, I don't think was shown anytime earlier, and I worry that giving points for *any* dead bodies that show up will lead to some later scene where we come across a field of hundreds of mutilated bodies and get a line "Drogon must have done this." or "this is the work of Gregor Clegane", and end up rewarding a bunch of points that never had a payoff for show watchers.

Open to other thoughts/interpretations though. This is a good precedent-setter either way. -nyan

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2016 Apr 26
Wait, you see Zalla alive? I forgot that part
-alicehanners

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2016 Apr 26
Will have to bring the episode back up, but if I recall correctly the opening scene of the episode is the girl playing on the grass hillside. Then Drogon emerges from below the cliff and stares down at her. The later on in the episode the man comes to Daenerys' court with the charred bones. -nyan

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2016 Apr 26
Went back to do a rewatch, your memory of the events is right Alice. The scene I was thinking of is from S4E6 - Drogon rises above the cliff to stare down a boy goat herder, then ends up roasting a little goat and snatching it away. The boy escapes unscathed. Later in S4E10 the girls' bones show up without any prior introduction. I also found some previous precedents with Ramsay talking about killing people and just displaying the flayed corpses in S5 which were counted. So in keeping with that, this poor bbq'd ram will count! -nyan

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2016 Apr 27 moonbaseu92 likes this
Are dragon kills considered her "Special"? Because that would be a x3 multiplier -armizzle.diaz

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2016 Apr 29
@armizzle.diaz the dragons' actions will count for all of their respective category, so this is scored as kills, and if they shotgun a barrel of wine or decide to get incestuous, it'll count as wine/sex points. The special category is more for the "+1 for each..." that don't fit elsewhere. The Starks' wolves are counted the same way. -nyan

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Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

55:17 (+10) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys shoves the last torchstand at Khal Moro, burning him alive inside the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen. (Kill of Named Character)

56:01 (+20) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys burns down the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen, with Khal Rhalko and Khal Forzo inside of it. (Kill of Named Character)

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Rhalko is named by Khal Moro, "You'd rather be sold into slaver? Or maybe you'd like to show Rhalko here what you taste like?".

Forzo was not, but existed as a draftable character based on casting rumors, so he's included.

Qhono was not actually in the tent, he's visible as one of the Dothraki in the crowd approaching the burning Temple (around 59:23 on the hbogo stream). -nyan

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2016 May 16 alandennis88 likes this
Will clarify the new precedent in rulebook. The "named" character definition will be bent a little to include:
* all draftable characters
* "boss fight" characters, to borrow from video game terminology (pending)

For more discussion on the new "Kills of Named Character" criteria, check out the proposal at: http://fantasora.com/event/2394 -nyan

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2016 May 16 alandennis88 likes this
Maybe it would be clearer if you simply changed it to "Kills of Draftable Characters/Bosses" :D -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 May 16

56:01 (+24) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys burns down the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen, with twelve unnamed Khals and their bloodriders inside of it, in addition to Khal Moro, Rhalko, and Forzo. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Episode 5: The Door

49:26 (+2) Bran Stark:

Summer leaps onto the second wight just before it attacks Meera Reed. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

51:10 (+2) Bran Stark:

Summer dives into the crowd of wights as Bran and company make their escape out of the Three-Eyed Raven's cavern. He lands on one wight but is quickly cut down by the horde. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

I don't think we actually see Summer kill any wights. -tbaum9842

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2016 May 23 nyan and ddenault85 like this
:( :( :( -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 May 23
Shouldn't we get credit for Summer's death too? -jamesrscottjr81

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2016 May 23
Bar is set fairly low for fights with henchmen/redshirts. From the rulebook spec: "Pretty much any kind of strike on random extras is counted for a kill unless the extra is shown to be explicitly alive after. This is applied often for large battle scenes." -nyan

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2016 May 23
Summer's death counted here: http://fantasora.com/event/2461 -nyan

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2016 May 23

53:44 (+5) Bran Stark:

Bran mentally debilitates a young Wylas by warging into him, offering him a glimpse of his future demise at the Door. (Major Injury of Named Character)

55:15 (+10) Bran Stark:

While warged in, Bran forces Hodor to hold the Door against the horde of wights as he and Meera make their escape, sacrificing him in the process. (Kill of Named Character)

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@Lem Bran only half-consciously controlling the Hodors sounds like a good argument for excluding it as a betrayal. It's ambiguous even to what extent Bran is aware of how he is controlling things (both in past vision and real world), and thus it's hard to say he betrayed anyone in his subconscious (intent should matter for betrayals, else klutzy chars like Podrick would be "betraying" friends with their screwups all the time). -nyan

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2016 May 26
Really good perspectives you both brought up about the kills. I think bookworm is right that we should try to exclude intent - can of worms as you say, and accidental kills should definitely be possible.

Thinking through this, it does feel like there should be some criteria that allows for putting someone into a situation where they'll definitely be killed. Scar flinging Mufasa down to the stampeding buffalo in Long King comes to mind - no control over the actual killers there, but the death doesn't happen without Scar's direct action. From a pedantic perspective this could apply to Balon's death as well - even if it's the ocean that drowned him, it was Euron's throw that put him into that situation (and scorekeeping is all about pedantry =P).

I think we can expand on kills commanded here and ultimately include those under a subset of "inevitable death situation" rules:
I. The killer forces the victim into the situation against their will
II. The situation leads to *inevitable* death
II.I. The entity or force that directly kills the victim needs no skill or decision-making to make the kill, aside from following the commands of the killer.
III. The directly killer still gets rewarded duplicate kill points, if applicable.

What that means for the scenarios we've talked about:
1. Executions like Ned's and Fat Walda's (previously covered by Commanded Kills) are included, since the victims are imprisoned (forced into situation), and could do nothing to avoid death (inevitable). This should be the same whether it was a human killer (Ilyn Payne), controlled animals (Ramsay's hounds), as neither needed skill or decision-making (aside from following commands).

2. Scar throwing Mufasa into a canyon of stampeding buffalo is also included. Even without directly controlling the physical killers, the inevitability and lack of skill/decision-making is the same. Imagine if Ramsay throws Fat Walda into a pit of snakes instead.

3. Pushing the victim into a sword held by someone else would be a more nuanced case. As mentioned above, we don't want to get into judging the intent of the indirect killer here:

3a. The victim is shoved toward the sword-holder, who happens to have his sword positioned in a way that impales the victim. Included for the person-pusher, as no skill/decision or even actions were taken by the sword-holder. This would be the same as if the sword-holder was instead a jagged rock.

3b. The victim is shoved in the direction of the sword-holder, who must aim and position his weapon precisely to impale the victim. This would be excluded for the person-pusher, as it required skill/decision-making on the part of the sword-holder.

4. Most "noble suicides" are excluded by criteria I, because the victim willingly put themselves in it (still counted if they are physically killed by their own action, like Leaf's hand grenade).

5. In all above scenarios, the direct killer (Ilyn, Ramsay's hound, sword-holder) still gets credit. -nyan

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2016 May 26 dopeghoti likes this
I think that's definitely a fair way to approach it -bookworm13457

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2016 May 26

Episode 8: No One

8:47 (+6) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

The Hound kills three of the bandits sitting in camp, decapitating the first, cleaving the second in the chest, and slitting the throat of the third with his woodchopping axe. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

9:15 (+10) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Sandor cuts down Gatins with his axe, after failing to extract information on the whereabouts of the bandit with the yellow cloak. (Kill of Named Character)

46:22 (+2) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Sandor kicks over a tree stump being stood on by the bandit, strangling him on the noose.
Thoros of Myr: "You're getting old, Clegane."
Sandor: "He's not." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

46:26 (+10) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Sandor kicks over the tree stump being stood on by Lem Lemoncloak, strangling him on the noose. (Kill of Named Character)

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

8:30 (+38) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys commands her dragons to rain fire down onto one of the slaver ships attacking Meereen. 19 slaver soldiers are shown dying in the ensuing firestorm, as the ship collapses and sinks. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Similar to Bronn's wildfire explosion on the Blackwater (http://fantasora.com/event/1151), the whole ship went down with probably dozens if not hundreds of soldiers onboard, but it'd be impossible to speculate what that count would be. The 19 deaths here are based on the number of burning or otherwise injured soldiers shown on-screen.

Below you can find a log of each kill with a handy screenshot for reference: https://imgur.com/a/PR8RV

1-2. Two soldiers standing directly below as Drogon's first flame hits
3-5. Three soldiers caught in the flames from the fire on the central deck
6. Soldier on fire
7. Burning soldier collapsing onto the floor
8. Soldier ejected by first explosion during Drogon's flyover
9. Soldier still onboard ship in same explosion
10. Soldier thrown overboard in second explosion during Drogon's flyover
11. Soldier caught directly in flames of second explosion
12-14. Three burning soldiers
15. Silhouette of burning soldier against the inferno
16. Burning soldier falls overboard as ship begins to collapse
17. Soldier in water as ship collapses onto him
18. Soldier fall off the upper deck as the ship collapses
19. Second soldier falls off the upper deck as the ship collapses -nyan

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2016 Jun 20 bookworm13457, rajatnigam, alexanderdropkin, moonbaseu92 like this
So this only counts the ship that was burned by Daenerys atop the single dragon, but what about the deaths of the sailors from the other dragons? Ultimately, even though Jon Snow's kills in episode 9 were more personal and shown on screen, the amount of kills that Dany and her dragons committed far outweighed Jon's, thus she should not be trailing him for kills this episode.

I would suggest that the number of ships in the Master's Navy, which was hinted when the initial surrender talks were happening should be multiplied by the 19 we see die on screen. Each ship having 19 sailors evident on screen, but the entire navy is wiped out. I'd have to rewatch to get the exact figure he mentions, but I think it's either 100 or 1000. -mg.flanigan11

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2016 Jun 22
Dany does not destroy the entire navy. She saves much of it for herself to get across the sea. The only reasonable thing to do is only count the onscreen kills. -bookworm13457

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2016 Jun 22 nyan and righteous like this
The dragons are all attacking the one ship: https://imgur.com/a/N8p0M. It's just a display of power, as she wants to keep the rest of the ships to herself. Tyrion: "Thank you for the armada. Our Queen does love ships." -nyan

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2016 Jun 22 dopeghoti and alicehanners like this

Political Wins

Episode 1: The Red Woman

40:11 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys convinces Khal Moro to not rape her by mentioning that she is the widow of Khal Drogo.
Daenerys: "I was wife to Khal Dorgo, son of Khal Bharbo."
Khal Moro: "Khal Drogo is dead."
Daenerys: " I know. I burnt his body."
Khal Moro: "Forgive me. I did not know. It is forbidden to lie with a Khal's widow. No one will touch you. You have my word." (Convincing Argument)

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Episode 2: Home

5:31 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran discovers Hodor's real name - Willas - and that he used to be able to talk while going back to the future with the Three-Eyed Raven. (Secret Discovery)

52:16 (+3) Melisandre:

Melisandre invokes her pleas to the Lord of Light in an attempt to resurrect Jon Snow. After several minutes and of killing the hopes of everyone in the room, Jon is left alone and suddenly awakes, gasping for breath. God damn lag. (New Follower/Prisoner)

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There's a lot of other good discussion around bigger wholesale changes to the rule. As I said before, it's too unfair to existing players who made draft decisions based on rules at the beginning of the season. We'll incorporate these suggestions into a new ruleset, which league admins will be able to opt into. We'll have more discussion for that and announce a final set of changed closer to midseason. -nyan

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2016 May 3 nsimmonds likes this
Pretty retarded that she gets 2 points less for bringing, arguably, the most important character in the show back from the dead than Thyrion gets for filling his glass with wine.
As for the people that "made draft decisions based on rules at the beginning", I think these people would be much more supportive of awarding over 3 points to Melisandre for her mitzvah than to awarding some weak prince 99 points for walking around. -jshragie

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2016 May 3 righteous likes this
ooohhhh salty. Honestly, as someone who drafted Mel, I think it'd be pretty unfair to give her anything more than maybe 5 here. 3 seems fine. -nsimmonds

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Episode 3: Oathbreaker

22:25 (+3) Varys:

Varys' investigations have exposed Vala, the Meereenese prostitute who lured the Unsullied to her brothel so that the Sons of the Harpy could murder them.
"I know who you are and what you've done. You've done a lot. You've sacrificed your body for a cause, which is more than most people do. And you've helped the Sons of the Harpy murder the Unsullied and the Second Sons." (Secret Discovery)

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27:55 (+3) Varys:

Varys has discovered the source of the rebellion's funding after coercing the prostitute Vala.
"Sorry.. I was busy, learning who funds the Sons of the Harpy. Some things you can't rush... The Good Masters of Astapor, and the Wise Masters of Yunkai, with help from their friends in Volantis." (Secret Discovery)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

27:30 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys convinces her rescuers on a new escape plan
Daenerys: "We will *never* get out of Vaes Dothrak alive."
Jorah: "All we can do is try."
Daenerys: "No. We can do more than that. And you're going to help me." (Convincing Argument)

56:22 (+9) Daenerys Targaryen:

The Dothraki of Vaes Dothrak arrive at the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen and bow down to Daenerys as their new ruler, after she kills off all of the Khals by burning them alive in the Temple. Among them are Khal Moro's bloodrider Qhono, the High Priestess of the Dosh Khaleen, and the Lhazareen Khal widow. (New Follower/Prisoner)

56:28 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys claims dominion over Vaes Dothrak as the inhabits of the city bow down to her, after her burning of the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen and all of the ruling Khals inside of it. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

Episode 5: The Door

17:24 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran discovers the origins of the White Walkers - created by the Children of the Forest - during a warg visit to the past.
Bran: "It was you. You made the White Walkers."
Leaf: "We were at war. We were being slaughtered. Our sacred trees cut down. We needed to defend ourselves." (Secret Discovery)

29:47 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys overrules Jorah's decision to leave her: "Do not walk away from your Queen, Jorah the Andal. You have not been dismissed. You swore to obey my commands for the rest of your life. Well, I command you to find the cure wherever it is in this world. I command you to heal yourself and then return to me." (Executive Decision)

32:04 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

High Priestess Kinvara signs on to Team Daenerys as the Lord of HYPE.

"You don't need to persuade me. I came to help. Daenerys Stormborn is the one who was promised. From the fire she was reborn to remake the world ... I will summon my most eloquent priests. They will spread the word. Daenerys has been sent to lead the people against the darkness in this war and in the great war still to come." (New Follower/Prisoner)

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45:24 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran's status as the Three Eyed Raven is confirmed by Benjen: "You are the Three-Eyed Raven now." (New Title)

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53:44 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran discovers the origin of Hodor's name and condition during a visit to Winterfell's past where he wargs into a young Wylas and gives him a vision of his ultimate demise years in the future at the Door. (Secret Discovery)

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Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

48:41 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

After burning down the Vaes Dothrak gym, Daenerys earns the appropriate badge to regain control over Drogon, riding him in dramatic fashion over her crowd of Dothraki followers. (New Follower/Prisoner)

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Anyway, the scene was kinda poorly scripted; but just the point of flying in there on a fucking huge dragon and shouting epic shit at people with blades in their hands was such an incredibly badass move that she definitely needed to get points for it, no matter what :D I know it's rather impossible to score, but Dany's special should be "performing acts of exceptional badassery/awesomeness" -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 1
Love this description! -dneanover

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2016 Jun 1 nyan likes this
Judging from his facial expression, this probably wasn't exactely the same thing Daaribro had in mind when talking about "riding the dragon" a few episodes ago :o -Lem Lemoncake

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Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

11:03 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys wins the Battle of Meereen with a terrorizing display of fire and blood with her three unleashed dragons.
Tyrion to Yezzan: "Tell your people what happened here. Tell them you live by the grace of Her Majesty. When they come forward with notions of retribution or ideas about returning the slave cities to their former glory, remind them what happened when Daenerys Stormborn and her dragons came to Meereen." (Victorious Battle)

30:04 (+6) Daenerys Targaryen:

Yara and Theon Greyjoy pledge themselves and the Iron Fleet to Daenerys' cause, in return for helping them retake the Iron Islands and defeat their uncle, Euron Greyjoy.

Daenerys: "You will support my claim as queen of the Seven Kingdoms and respect the integrity of the Seven Kingdoms. No more reaving, roving, raiding, or raping."
Yara: "That's our way of life."
Daenerys: "No more."
Yara: "No more." (New Follower/Prisoner)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

34:57 (+3) Melisandre:

Melisandre admits to sacrificing Shireen after being exposed by Davos Seaworth, but manages to convince Jon Snow to spare her in the face of the looming White Walker threat.

Melisandre: "I've been ready to die for many years. If the Lord was done with me, so be it, but he's not. You've seen the Night King, Jon Snow. You know the great war is still to come. You know the army of the dead will be upon us soon. And you know I can help you win that war."
Jon Snow: "Ride south today. If you return to the North, I'll have you hanged as a murderer." (Convincing Argument)

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I would say survival in that circumstance is evidence of a convincing argument. She had just confessed to murder yet sh's being set free. We'd have to look at the severity of the crime. If you were accused of murder in front of the Sheriff and you confess, but then argue of your use in the world and your spared the penalty of murder, I'd say your argument was convincing. Jon seals the deal on this one when he threatens that he'll "have her hanged for murder" if she returns. That means he's knowingly releasing a murderer. -mg.flanigan11

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2016 Jun 28
I don't think it's clear enough that she convinced Jon to do one thing or another. All we have on Jon's position is "Do you have anything to say for yourself?" which could be considered like a "any last words?" question, but it's just totally apparent what he initially had in mind. -alexanderdropkin

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2016 Jun 29
With all that we know about Jon Snow, I don't think that there was any doubt that he would have had her killed had she not convinced him otherwise. He executed Janos Slynt for disobeying a direct order from the Lord Commander. Considering Melisandre admitted to burning an innocent girl alive, there is no way his default decision wouldn't have been to kill her. But she managed to convince him to not kill her, so I think she should definitely be rewarded points-wise for still being alive even if she was exiled. I don't think we have a prescedent that a character needs to get everything they're arguing for to get the points, so I think successfully convincing Jon to let her live is good enough for points -cfitzgerald

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2016 Jun 29

43:11 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys convinces Daario to accept his assignment to stay behind in Meereen as its ruler.
Daario: "You'll get that throne you want so badly, I'm sure of it. I hope it brings you happiness. I pity the lords of Westeros. They have no idea what's coming for them." (Convincing Argument)

46:12 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

As they begin plans to sail to Westeros, Tyrion Lannister professes his belief in Daenerys and pledges his services to her.

Tyrion Lannister: "For what it's worth, I've been a cynic for as long as I can remember. Everyone's always asking me to believe in things - family, gods, kings, myself. It was often tempting until I saw where belief got people. So I said no, thank you to belief. And yet here I am. I believe in you. It's embarrassing, really. I'd swear you my sword, but I don't actually own a sword."
Daenerys: "It's your counsel I need."
Tyrion: "It's yours. Now and always." (New Follower/Prisoner)

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I don't know about this, because he was already a follower, starting last season. This is like saying Davos is officially following Jon Snow, when he's been following him for seasons -skywalkerdude

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2016 Jun 27 righteous and jedjackoway like this
Agreed. Tyrion definitely gets points for a new title, but I don't think Daenerys should get points because Tyrion is not a new follower. -nick.embrey

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2016 Jun 27
But he made a vow this episode to her. -mg.flanigan11

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2016 Jun 27 nyan likes this
I guess it depends on when a follower is added? Not sure of the ruling if, say, a follower left then came back like maybe Jorah? Would it count twice? Also, if the follower is only counted once ever, I suppose a submission could be made at this point that Daenerys should gain the sand snakes and Olenna since Varys appears at the end in their discussion, surely this is meant to be her landing zone - Dorne. -mg.flanigan11

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2016 Jun 27
I feel like it should come down to whether or not Tyrion has been scored as Dany's follower yet, either this season or last. -jedjackoway

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2016 Jun 28 alexanderdropkin likes this
On the parallel to Davos, I've actually added his Jon Snow follower points here: http://fantasora.com/event/3026. It's a very similar situation in that the characters clearly became a follower at some point, but in a very gradual process. I'm not sure how to score these aside from waiting for a semi-official kind of moment.

Looking through, I actually can't find a Daenerys score for Tyrion as a follower in S5. It's possible this was an oversight, but unless someone can pinpoint a more official declaration of allegiance for Tyrion before this, this seems like the moment for him. -nyan

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57:13 (+3) Bran Stark:

Through a warg flashback, Bran discovers Jon Snow's true heritage as the son of Lyanna Stark. (Secret Discovery)

66:01 (+3) Varys:

Varys returns from his diplomatic mission to Dorne, apparently successful at recruiting House Tyrell and the Sand Snakes to support Daenerys and lend her use of their navies. (Convincing Argument)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

Episode 1: The Red Woman

29:48 (+3) Varys:

Tyrion to homeless mother: "For your baby. To eat." [makes stuffing motion into mouth]
Varys. "She thinks you want to eat her baby." (Funny Line)

Episode 2: Home

22:45 (+3) Varys:

Tyrion: "Dragons are intelligent ... They have affection for their friends and fury for their enemies. I am their friend."
Varys: "Do *they* know that?" (Funny Line)

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22:46 (+3) Varys:

Varys shakes his head and tsks as Tyrion pours out a glass of wine during a meeting of the Meereenese advising council. (Funny Line)

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@Alice, what other funny faces do you think will need to be re-counted if this is enabled? And does the distinction that it comes with a line (even if it's just a small vocal tick from Varys) make it easier to enforce? -nyan

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2016 May 3
I only really want to rewatch both episodes for funny faces if you're seriously considering it, but I can think of several moments when people shrugged, raised their eyebrows, made a weird face, etc and it was funny but no words were spoken. -alicehanners

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2016 May 3
Adding it for now, but we'll see if it opens up a bad can of worms. The spirit of the category is to reward the really good moments written into the show that illicit a solid reaction from the viewer. Insults that make you go "ooh what a burn", threats that you make gulp in sympathy with the target, or funny lines that make you actually laugh. I don't doubt that we can find a handful of weird faces if we're looking really hard for them, but I don't think there are many that were good enough to spark an actual reaction from the audience, and this definitely seemed like one.

That said, everyone's laugh-meter is calibrated to a different level, so if facial expressions and small vocal ticks end up having a much higher variability of opinion vs the spoken lines, we'll revisit and maybe revoke this one. -nyan

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Episode 3: Oathbreaker

22:02 (+3) Varys:

to Unsullied guards while fanning himself: "I don't know how you stand in all that leather." (Funny Line)

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Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

53:14 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

to the Dothraki Khals: "And here, now, what great matters do the Great Khals discuss? Which little villages you'll raid, how many girls you'll get to fuck, how many horses you'll demand in tribute. You are small men. None of you are fit to lead the Dothraki." (Witty Insult)

Episode 7: The Broken Man

5:28 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Septon Ray: "There's a reason you're still here."
Sandor: "Aye, there's a reason. I'm a big fucker and I'm tough to kill." (Funny Line)

44:16 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Septon Ray: "Violence is a disease. You don't cure a disease by spreading it to more people."
Sandor: "You don't cure it by dying, either." (Witty Insult)

Episode 8: No One

9:04 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Gatins: "Fuck you!"
Sandor: "Those are your last words, 'fuck you'? Come on, you can do better."
Gatins: "Cunt!"
Sandor: "You're shit at dying, you know that?" (Witty Insult)

45:14 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

to Anguy: "Drop that arrow, you bloody girl. Tougher girls than you have tried to kill me." (Witty Insult)

45:46 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Thoros of Myr: "We're not butchers. We hang them."
Sandor: "Hanging? All over in an instant. Where's the punishment in that?"
Thoros: "They die."
Sandor: "We all bloody die. Except this one here (Beric Dondarrion)." (Funny Line)

46:46 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Sandor: "There was a time I would have killed all seven of you just to gut these three."
Thoros: "You're getting old, Clegane."
Sandor: "He's not." *kicks over stump to hang bandit* (Witty Insult)

47:11 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Beric Dondarrion: "Enjoying yourself?"
Sandor: "I prefer chicken." (Funny Line)

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

22:52 (+3) Melisandre:

Jon Snow: "Any advice?"
Melisandre: "Don't lose." (Funny Line)

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This shoupdate be split into two differnt posts, or counted twice as these are two differnt lines. -cmwalken15

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2016 Jun 21
Doesn't fall in any category -becharafayad1997

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2016 Jun 21 alexanderdropkin and twalters like this
I think she said "Don't lose," and it was funny in the same way that one line of hers was, before the took off the ruby. I forget the line, but remember it was deadpan and similar humor, and she got points for it.
-alicehanners

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2016 Jun 21 taylorreneegoodrich and mg.flanigan11 like this
dead pan humor is most certainly funny and in the right catagory. -cmwalken15

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Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

45:19 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys: "Do you know what frightens me? I said farewell to a man who loves me. A man I thought I cared for. And I felt nothing. Just impatient to get on with it."
Tyrion: "He wasn't the first to love you and he won't be the last."
Daenerys: "Well, you have completely failed to console me." (Funny Line)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

Episode 7: The Broken Man

4:52 (+5) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Sandor drinks from a cup handed to him by Septon Ray while taking a lunch break. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

35:48 (+5) Theon Greyjoy:

Yara forces Theon to drink while the fleet is docked.
Theon: "I don't want any."
Yara: "I don't care what you want. Drink." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

47:38 (+5) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Sandor drinks from his bottle after a hard afternoon of hacking down tree branches. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 8: No One

47:20 (+5) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Sandor takes a swig from a wineskin handed to him by Thoros of Myr. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

40:23 (+5) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys drinks a glass of wine as Daario enters her chambers. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

Episode 1: The Red Woman

46:53 (+20) Melisandre:

Melisandre removes her ruby necklace as she strips down to her true form in front of the mirror. (Non-sexual Nude Scene)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

55:58 (+15) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys emerges outside of the burning Temple of the Dosh Khaleen, with her clothes burned away, but unharmed. (Non-sexual Nude Scene)

Guess I was wrong about the actress saying no more nude scenes. Maybe she meant nude scenes where she isn't bathed in fire. -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 May 16 righteous, nyan, jedjackoway like this
In response to the comment above this:

There is a interview with Emilia Clarke specifically about this scene. She agreed to do a nude scene if it was in private. So they filmed her I believe in Belfast on a "closed set" with only a couple of people. The rest of the scene was filmed in Spain I think and basically they used CGI to make it look like Khaleesi/Emilia was actually there with everyone else. -marksizzle

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2016 May 16 nyan and taylorreneegoodrich like this
We were actually debating at my viewing party if they CGI'ed her body and that's why the nudity was included.

Or maybe she was just trying to throw off Fantasora drafts!! -coconnor723

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Episode 8: No One

47:56 (+5) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Sandor whips it out to single-handedly replenish the Riverlands. (Non-sexual Nude Scene)

Deaths

Episode 5: The Door

51:13 (+10) Bran Stark:

Summer is cut down by a horde of wights in the Three-Eyed Raven's cavern as Bran, Meera, and Hodor make their escape. (Death)

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

+1 for Bran Stark

Episode 7: The Broken Man

+1 for Bran Stark

Episode 8: No One

+1 for Bran Stark

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

+1 for Bran Stark

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

+1 for Bran Stark

Special

Episode 1: The Red Woman

29:17 (+3) Varys:

Tyrion references Varys' eunuch status in his comeback.
Varys: "You walk as though the paving stones were your personal property. I used to steal from people like you when I was a boy."
Tyrion: "It's a good thing you're not a boy anymore. ... Because you have no cock." (Special)

Episode 2: Home

2:33 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran taps into the weirwood net with the assistance of the Three-Eyed Raven, and visits a scene of a yound Ned and Benjen Stark play-fighting in Winterfell. (Special)

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We see Bran Warging in the beginning of the episode. He lets go (that's 1).

Then we see him Warg again, into the Ned/Willis Scene (That's 2). -klov3r

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2016 May 3
warg -emilien.raggi

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2016 May 3
@klov3r I don't think there was anything aside from the flashback to Winterfell scene. We get the GoT title sequence, then a fade-in of Bran and Three-Eyed Raven stoned out among the weirwood branches with their eyes whited out. Then we just cut immediately to Ned and Benjen fighting. -nyan

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2016 May 3

22:46 (+3) Varys:

Varys just can't get away from the eunuch references after he judgmentally stares at Tyrion downing another cup of wine.
Tyrion: "If I lost my cock, I'd drink all the time. *looks at Greyworm* ...meaning no offense. He makes dwarf jokes, I make eunuch jokes." (Special)

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Episode 3: Oathbreaker

12:24 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran visits a scene from the past, watching his father Eddard Stark and his bannermen face off against two Targaryen Kingsguard. (Special)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

13:40 (+3) Varys:

Astapor slave master: "We came here to meet the Queen, and instead we're greeted by a dwarf and a eunuch." (Special)

43:11 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon acts against his own self-interest, throwing away his own claim in support of his sister Yara ruling the Iron Islands. (Special)

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Episode 5: The Door

16:02 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran taps into the weirwood.net with the Three-Eyed Raven to revisit a scene with the Children of the Forest at the Weirwood tree. (Special)

19:44 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon elects to stump for his sister Yara, after other some of the other Ironborn nominate him to inherit the Salt Throne. "I am Theon Greyjoy, last living son of Balon Greyjoy ... and she is your rightful ruler." (Special)

34:36 (+3) Varys:

High Priestess Kinvara talks to Varys about his castration.
"If not for your... mutilation at the hand of a second-rate sorcerer, you wouldn't be here. Helping the Lord's Chosen bring his light into the world... Do you remember what you heard that night when the sorcerer tossed your parts in the fire?" (Special)

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36:51 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran taps into weirwood.net while the Three-Eyed Raven is asleep, jumping into a vision of a frozen wasteland surrounded by wights and the White Walkers. (Special)

47:25 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran has a vision of the day his young father departed Winterfell for the Vale. (Special)

50:27 (+3) Bran Stark:

While embedded in a vision of Winterfell's past, Bran subconsciously wargs into Hodor in the present time so that they can escape from the White Walker horde approaching the cavern of the Three-Eyed Raven. (Special)

53:44 (+3) Bran Stark:

While visiting a flashback in Winterfell's past, Bran wargs into a young Wylas, giving him a vision of his present day demise while holding the Door to allow Bran and Meera time to escape the White Walker horde. (Special)

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Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

2:20 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran progresses through a series of flashback visions as Meera drags him throw the snow. (Special)

Episode 7: The Broken Man

35:42 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

Yara forces Theon to drink while the fleet is docked.
Theon: "I don't want any."
Yara: "I don't care what you want. Drink." (Special)

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This should be scored for Yara, not Theon -moonbaseu92

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2016 Jun 6
It's for Theon's special, which is any time he acts against his own interest when instructed to by another -bookworm13457

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2016 Jun 6 jedjackoway likes this
In fairness, I don't think it was against Theon's best interest; it was against the lingering Reek's. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 6
This definitely should invoke his special ability. The ability is "when Theon acts against his own self-interest, due to someone else's instructions." He doesn't want to drink, that's his self-interest. he is forced to by his sister's instruction. -skywalkerdude

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2016 Jun 7 jedjackoway and alicehanners like this
My comment was in jest, sir or ma'am or other. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 7

Episode 8: No One

9:57 (+3) Varys:

Varys: "If you shaved your beard with a straight razor, you'd say the razor worked. That doesn't mean it won't cut your throat."
Tyrion: "Spoken like a man who has never had to shave." (Special)

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Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

54:37 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran attempts his first weirwood.net session since leaving the cavern of the Three-Eyed Raven, flashing back to his father at the tower holding Lyanna Stark.
Meera Reed: "Are you sure you're ready for this?"
Bran: "I'm the Three-Eyed Raven now. I have to be ready for this." (Special)

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