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Clegane Bowl (2017)

25 roto pts (#2)
Z-Score: 0.784 (percentile: 78.35%)
Weeks at #1: 3
Categories won: Kills (1104)
Best Week: Episode 1: Dragonstone (+5.5 roto points)
Team MVP: Daenerys Targaryen (picked #2, 923 points, 62.32% of team total)

Roster Stats

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Sex	Deaths	Special
Daenerys Targaryen Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, Mother of Dragons and Breaker of Chains. With her three dragons and army of Unsullied soldiers she carved out an empire of liberated slave cities in the east, and she now sets her sights westward as she sails for the Seven Kingdoms to reclaim the Iron Throne.	#2	923	858	33	12	0	10	7	3
Arya Stark The youngest of the Stark girls. Recently having completed her training as an assassin in the House of Black and White, she has set sail to return to Westeros to pursue her revenge.	#7	165	104	24	24	10	0	0	3
Sandor Clegane (The Hound) A fearsome Lannister knight, formerly known as the Hound. After being left for dead after losing a fight with Brienne of Tarth, he recovered and briefly reformed as a laborer in a nonviolent commune, but has joined with Beric Dondarrion and the Brotherhood without Banners after bandits attack and destroy the village.	#10	106	47	12	39	5	0	0	3
Beric Dondarrion Lord of Blackhaven, bannermen to House Baratheon. He leads the Brotherhood Without Banners, an outlaw fighting group in the Riverlands.	#34	85	70	6	0	0	0	0	9
Davos Seaworth Formerly Hand of the King to Stannis Baratheon, Davos now advises Jon Snow. He is often at odds with the Red Priestess Melisandre.	#15	63	0	9	51	0	0	0	3
Grey Worm The leader of the Unsullied - a highly-trained army of freed slaves who serve Daenerys Targaryen.	#23	45	24	6	0	0	15	0	0
Thoros of Myr A Red Priest from the city of Myr - he is a member of the Brotherhood Without Banners, led by Beric Dondarrion.	#42	30	0	3	6	10	0	5	6
Hot Pie An orphan from King's Landing. He works at the Inn at the Crossroads as a baker.	#50	15	0	3	0	0	0	0	12
Varys Formerly the Master of Whisperers in King's Landing, Varys now pulls the political strings for Daenerys Targaryen, arranging alliances with the Westerosi Houses Tyrell and Martell. He controls a vast network of spies.	#26	14	0	3	6	5	0	0	0
Harrag (actor: Brendan Cowell)	#87	7	1	3	3	0	0	0	0
Lyanna Mormont The spunky young head of House Mormont.	#31	6	0	3	0	0	0	0	3
Captured Wight A wight from north of the Wall.	-	5	0	0	0	0	0	5	0
Harald Karstark A northern lord, allied with the Boltons. He was the son of Rickard Karstark, who was beheaded by Robb Stark for treason.	#95	5	0	0	0	0	0	5	0
Eddison Tollett One of Jon Snow's few friends in the Night's Watch, he now serves as the Lord Commander after Jon deserts the order following his betrayal.	#39	3	0	3	0	0	0	0	0
Bronze Yohn Royce Head of House Royce, bannermen to House Arryn of the Vale.	#58	3	0	3	0	0	0	0	0
Qyburn The new Master of Whispers in King's Landing, loyally serving Queen Cersei Lannister. A disgraced former Maester, he engages in many scientific experiments in his dungeon lab	#18	3	0	0	0	0	0	0	3
Koner (actor: Joseph Quinn)	#74	3	0	0	3	0	0	0	0
Alys Karstark	#90	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Hodor	-	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Karsi A Wildling chieftain who was killed in the Battle of Hardhome. She appears to have been re-animated as a wight.	#82	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Maester Wolkan Maester serving House Bolton.	#63	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Ornela (Dothraki Widow from Lhazareen) A young Dothraki widow from Dosh Khaleen. She follows Daenerys Targaryen after she defeats the other Khals by burning them alive inside the Temple of Dosh Khaleen.	#66	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Salladhor Saan A Pirate Lord from the Lys, a free city of Essos. He is an old friend of Ser Davos Seaworth and fought for Stannis in the Battle of the Blackwater.	#71	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Edmure Tully Catelyn Stark's brother, and the heir to House Tully and Riverrun. He is held as a prisoner of Lord Walder Frey after the betrayal at the Red Wedding.	#47	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Robett Glover The Head of House Glover, and bannerman to the Starks.	#55	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Daughter of the Myraham's Captain The captain's daughter aboard the merchant ship Myraham, a merchant ship traveling between the Riverlands and the Iron Islands. She had an fling with Theon Greyjoy during his stay aboard the ship, though he did not take her for a wife.	#103	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Vala A prostitute from Meereen, who aided the Sons of Harpy in killing the Unsullied and other soldiers who visited her brothel. After being bought off by Varys, she becomes an informant.	#98	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Ser Boros Blount A member of the Kingsguard.	#79	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		1481	1104	111	144	30	25	22	45

Roster

charId	Character	Special
31	Daenerys Targaryen Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, Mother of Dragons and Breaker of Chains. With her three dragons and army of Unsullied soldiers she carved out an empire of liberated slave cities in the east, and she now sets her sights westward as she sails for the Seven Kingdoms to reclaim the Iron Throne.	* Announcing her titles: "Mother of Dragons", "Breaker of Chains", etc. (min. of 2 titles)
6	Arya Stark The youngest of the Stark girls. Recently having completed her training as an assassin in the House of Black and White, she has set sail to return to Westeros to pursue her revenge.	* Nymeria's actions contribute to her points. * +1 point for reciting her hitlist * adopting a new Faceless Man disguise
81	Sandor Clegane (The Hound) A fearsome Lannister knight, formerly known as the Hound. After being left for dead after losing a fight with Brienne of Tarth, he recovered and briefly reformed as a laborer in a nonviolent commune, but has joined with Beric Dondarrion and the Brotherhood without Banners after bandits attack and destroy the village.	* +1 point for scenes where he eats * 2x multiplier for actions performed while confronted by fire
50	Davos Seaworth Formerly Hand of the King to Stannis Baratheon, Davos now advises Jon Snow. He is often at odds with the Red Priestess Melisandre.	* +1 point every time his fingers or onions are referenced * +1 point when invoking Shireen's name
72	Qyburn The new Master of Whispers in King's Landing, loyally serving Queen Cersei Lannister. A disgraced former Maester, he engages in many scientific experiments in his dungeon lab	* +1 point whenever he receives a new specimen for his experiments * +1 politics point when reporting information from his "little birds"
38	Grey Worm The leader of the Unsullied - a highly-trained army of freed slaves who serve Daenerys Targaryen.	* +1 for every 3-syllable word uttered in the Common Tongue (Westerosi English), not counting proper nouns (Daenerys, Unsullied, etc.) * Receives standard sex points for making it to first base
82	Varys Formerly the Master of Whisperers in King's Landing, Varys now pulls the political strings for Daenerys Targaryen, arranging alliances with the Westerosi Houses Tyrell and Martell. He controls a vast network of spies.	* +1 politics point when he meets another character in secret * +1 point when someone references his being a eunuch to him * +1 point when he passes along information from his "little birds"
258	Lyanna Mormont The spunky young head of House Mormont.	+1 whenever she puts an adult in their place
101	Beric Dondarrion Lord of Blackhaven, bannermen to House Baratheon. He leads the Brotherhood Without Banners, an outlaw fighting group in the Riverlands.	Can receive points multiple times in the Death category +1 when shown igniting the flaming sword
45	Eddison Tollett One of Jon Snow's few friends in the Night's Watch, he now serves as the Lord Commander after Jon deserts the order following his betrayal.
102	Thoros of Myr A Red Priest from the city of Myr - he is a member of the Brotherhood Without Banners, led by Beric Dondarrion.	+1 point every time he revives someone. +1 when shown igniting his flaming sword
92	Edmure Tully Catelyn Stark's brother, and the heir to House Tully and Riverrun. He is held as a prisoner of Lord Walder Frey after the betrayal at the Red Wedding.
104	Hot Pie An orphan from King's Landing. He works at the Inn at the Crossroads as a baker.	+1 point for every baked good or other food he prepares
256	Robett Glover The Head of House Glover, and bannerman to the Starks.
111	Bronze Yohn Royce Head of House Royce, bannermen to House Arryn of the Vale.
260	Maester Wolkan Maester serving House Bolton.
255	Ornela (Dothraki Widow from Lhazareen) A young Dothraki widow from Dosh Khaleen. She follows Daenerys Targaryen after she defeats the other Khals by burning them alive inside the Temple of Dosh Khaleen.
55	Salladhor Saan A Pirate Lord from the Lys, a free city of Essos. He is an old friend of Ser Davos Seaworth and fought for Stannis in the Battle of the Blackwater.
265	Koner (actor: Joseph Quinn)
182	Ser Boros Blount A member of the Kingsguard.
209	Karsi A Wildling chieftain who was killed in the Battle of Hardhome. She appears to have been re-animated as a wight.
269	Harrag (actor: Brendan Cowell)
264	Alys Karstark
232	Harald Karstark A northern lord, allied with the Boltons. He was the son of Rickard Karstark, who was beheaded by Robb Stark for treason.
10	Hodor	+1 point for every utterance of "Hodor"
279	Captured Wight A wight from north of the Wall.

Kills

Episode 1: Dragonstone

2:41 (+94) Arya Stark:

Masquerading as Walder Frey, Arya serves poisoned wine to a host of 47 Freys in the same dining hall where Robb and Catelyn were murdered at the Red Wedding.

"But you didn't slaughter every one of the Starks. No, no, that was your mistake. You should have ripped them all out, root and stem. Leave one wolf alive and the sheep are never safe. When people ask you what happened here tell them the North remembers. Tell them winter came for House Frey." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

13 more comments - see full thread

I think the scoring criteria should purely go off of what happened in the show. It's truer to what the characters actually accomplished. The existence of the character on the draft list is simply based on pre-season rumors, and this one turned out to be insignificant.

I also don't want to start weighing whether or not characters will be countable towards named kills in the pre-season, when I'm just scouring all the casting lists to give players all the options to draft from. -nyan

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2017 Jul 20
@kevinpetsky/@will.correa29, can anyone actually pick out the actor in the scene? From imdb it seems to only indicate he's in S7, not that he's in E1 specifically. -nyan

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2017 Jul 20 jake.kmiech likes this
If he doesn't show up as a named/credited Frey lord by last episode of this season, these death points should be awarded to Frey lord. -playabills

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2017 Aug 7

Episode 3: The Queen's Justice

53:50 (+2) Grey Worm :

Grey Worm slits the throat of a Lannister guard, after sneaking past the walls of Casterly Rock via the sewer tunnels. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

It is a little difficult to differentiate Grey Worm from the rest of the Unsullied, but he has a badge with three dragons on the clavicle of his armor which seems to be unique to him, which was used to identify him in the battle scenes: http://imgur.com/a/BGogM

This first kill is the only ambiguous one as the clavicle piece is not visible, but it seems to credibly be him based on the parts of face that are visible. -nyan

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2017 Aug 1
The shield kills that are being counting aren't confirmed kills. Minor injuries at best. -talindsey

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2017 Aug 1
which is 8 of his point this episode. -talindsey

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2017 Aug 1
In the rulebook for Kills.IV we have a rule for: "Pretty much any kind of strike on random extras is counted for a kill unless the extra is shown to be explicitly alive after. This is applied often for large battle scenes."

It's just a lot easier to count, else there are a lot of nitpicky debates that some strike is on a non-fatal region, or the shield bash didn't look strong enough, etc. -nyan

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2017 Aug 1

54:22 (+8) Grey Worm :

Leading the Unsullied, Grey Worm stabs two Lannister soldiers while charging the stairs, and smashes two more with his shield. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

54:29 (+14) Grey Worm :

At the top of the stairs, Grey Worm kills 7 Lannister soldiers, throwing his spear to impale the last one against a door. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Episode 4: The Spoils of War

40:10 (+66) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys, riding on Drogon's back, breaks the line of Lannister soldiers with a breath of fire. "Dracarys." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

33 soldiers killed in the opening salvo:

25 visible on the Lannnister line - http://imgur.com/0qEMB2F
8 visible fleeing behind the line - http://imgur.com/1xqyL2U

Full screencap log of Drogon kills - http://imgur.com/gallery/2zESi

The scoring methodology is similar to ones previous used for mass-kill scenes like the Battle of Blackwater, and the Sept of Baelor explosion, and Drogon's previous fights. All visible bodies that are dying or dead from the particular kill method are counted up (not too much debate this episode, since there were no other fire-wielders). However no further assumptions or speculations are made that a larger group must've died.

For instance in this event, the two shots cover all the visible soldiers - while one may reasonably assume that there are more burned soldiers along the line that are not visible behind the fireball, we can't see them and therefore they won't contribute to the kill count. -nyan

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2017 Aug 8 righteous, jake.kmiech, Lem Lemoncake, jgiuliano like this
Shouldn't Drogon get these points, not Daenerys? She was just riding him. :) -kyaathecatlord

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2017 Aug 10
Yeah, just read Daenerys' game breaking rules. No point playing this unless you have her so... -kyaathecatlord

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2017 Aug 10
People keep saying this ^ but I am literally 7th in my league rn even with Dany. Like all y'all need to chill -e.a.givney

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2017 Aug 10 Lem Lemoncake, alicehanners, jedjackoway, Laxis, 2 others like this

41:43 (+68) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys and Drogon make a strafing run on the Lannister caravan, torching 34 soldiers and a dozen loot wagons in the process. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

34 soldiers in this overhead strafing run:

8 unsuspecting soldiers fighting off the Dothraki screamers - http://imgur.com/GDoImMo
5 in first overhead sequence - http://imgur.com/gddiaYS
3 in second overhead sequence - http://imgur.com/6CsF3JL
2 in third overhead sequence - http://imgur.com/0cPmxxT
5 in fourth overhead sequence - http://imgur.com/wRELUKt
5 in fifth overhead sequence, second breath - http://imgur.com/b5iMLBe
2 in sixth overhead sequence, second breath - http://imgur.com/lSZiCfZ
4 in landscape shot, third breath - http://imgur.com/JkZrF5H
alternate angle showing no collateral off-road damage in landscape shot -
http://imgur.com/2rXABWj

Full screencap of Drogon kills - http://imgur.com/gallery/2zESi -nyan

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2017 Aug 8 righteous, Lem Lemoncake, jgiuliano like this
Why is Daenerys getting points for another named characters kills? Drogon deserves these points, not his passenger.

And this even nails my point: "Full screencap of Drogon kills - http://imgur.com/gallery/2zESi -nyan " It isn't Daenerys killing these characters, its DROGON. He's an intelligent being in the storyline. -kyaathecatlord

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2017 Aug 10
All the dragons actions are attributed to Dany. clearly says it in her special. -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 10 kimberly.ramia likes this
Doesn't make the fact that she just got four seasons worth of points in one episode any less gamebreaking. -kyaathecatlord

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2017 Aug 10
Bruh Arya got 108 in one episode lol -e.a.givney

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42:39 (+36) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys and Drogon begin a second strafing run after a volley of arrows from Jaime Lannister's archers fail to have any effect. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

18 killed in the second strafing run:

7 in the strafing shot http://imgur.com/llrvfXd
4 running away and getting scorched - http://imgur.com/UIMLpnN
1 soldier engulfed in fire - http://imgur.com/rsbOE7S
3 burning bodies - http://imgur.com/dAdovFb
3 more burning bodies - http://imgur.com/kzeKDwy

Full screencap log of Drogon kills - http://imgur.com/gallery/2zESi -nyan

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2017 Aug 8 righteous, Lem Lemoncake, jgiuliano like this
I don't think we should count the bodies that are already burning. There's a very good chance these are bodies that were already counted from the initial blast. If we don't see them burnt from a specific blast (and not repeat shots of the same blast - which you did an excellent job of not counting those, by the way), then I don't think we should count them -hkeseyan

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2017 Aug 8 IPKOB, playabills, emilien.raggi, charles.e.r.coutu, 2 others like this
I don't think we should count the bodies that are already burning. There's a very good chance these are bodies that were already counted from the initial blast. If we don't see them burnt from a specific blast (and not repeat shots of the same blast - which you did an excellent job of not counting those, by the way), then I don't think we should count them -hkeseyan

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2017 Aug 8 IPKOB, playabills, emilien.raggi like this
p.s. I'm referring to #79-84 -hkeseyan

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2017 Aug 8
Why is Daenerys getting points for another named characters kills? Drogon deserves these points, not his passenger. -kyaathecatlord

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2017 Aug 10
Since this one shows up a little earlier in the event log, an extended discussion of the counting methodology for Dany/Drogon's kills can be found here: http://fantasora.com/event/3448 -nyan

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2017 Aug 18

44:07 (+6) Daenerys Targaryen:

As Bronn runs through the chaos of the battlefield, he shoves aside a burning Lannister soldier and encounters two other burning men. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

46:03 (+22) Daenerys Targaryen:

Jaime surveys the losing battle, witnessing a field of Lannister soldiers being burned alive. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

3 burning soldiers in the field - http://imgur.com/BPYtj95
3 burning soldiers near water - http://imgur.com/dq6a1yV
5 burning soldiers as one removes his helmet and tries to make it to the water - http://imgur.com/3Ci9J1h

Full screencap log of Drogon kills - http://imgur.com/gallery/2zESi -nyan

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2017 Aug 8 jgiuliano and kimberly.ramia like this
Again, bodies burning without showing the blast = high chance we are double-counting -hkeseyan

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2017 Aug 8 mrudd27, playabills, emilien.raggi, IPKOB, 3 others like this
Why is Daenerys getting points for another named characters kills? Drogon deserves these points, not his passenger. -kyaathecatlord

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2017 Aug 10

46:31 (+32) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys and Drogon go on a third strafing run, flying over the river and targeting Jaime Lannister's position. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

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Reading over the complaint of the few using direct scoring... I'm not convinced that should be my problem. I need all the points possible if I'm going to win overall, even though I'm in direct H2H. -righteous

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2017 Aug 15
Alright, here is the final resolution on this.

I see the problems caused by Daenerys' mega-event performance for the season-long Direct-Scoring leagues, and it seems unlikely that I'll convince most of these leagues to switch over into a new scoring format. To offer a pragmatic and generic solution specifically for these leagues, I've created a new Ruleset 5.0b, which is the same as Ruleset 5.0 except that it offers a per-episode point cap on character performance. Currently this cap has been hit only twice, with Daenerys getting a -143pt adjustment in E4 and Arya getting a -11 adjustment in E1.

You can preview these new scores on the Episode and League pages by appending the ?rulesetId=11 argument into the url. For example: http://fantasora.com/game/1/season/8/subunit/4?rulesetId=11

League Admins can switch the Ruleset at any time by visiting the Edit League page. I'd discuss this with the other players in your Leagues before unilaterally moving to it, but the choice is there for any League Admins.

In general, the counting methodology and Daenerys' points will remain as-is, which is that a classification of a body as "duplicate" will require some evidence that they are duplicates (unique insignia on the armor, or perhaps pinpointing exact locations). To that end, the arguments made in this thread weren't convincing enough, in light of the multiple Drogon strikes for which the impacts are not shown, and all the wagons being a fairly generic design (so "these two scenes both feature burning soldiers with wagons nearby" is not really credible when wagons were ubiquitous across the battlefield).

Hopefully this provides a clear counting methodology for the future, and provides an adequately balanced solution for the direct-scoring leagues this season. Roto and H2H leagues, as previously discussed, ought to handle the disputed ~30pts swing inherently with their scoring formats. -nyan

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2017 Aug 18 hindsight44, emilien.raggi, hkeseyan like this
Thank you nyan, this is a great solution -emilien.raggi

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49:08 (+4) Daenerys Targaryen:

Drogon gets to roasts two consolation horses after Bronn tackles Jaime Lannnister out of the way from his ill-fated charge at Daenerys. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Episode 5: Eastwatch

10:41 (+20) Daenerys Targaryen:

After they refuse to bend the knee, Daenerys has Randyll and Dickon Tarly executed by dragonfire.

"Lord Randyll Tarly, Dickon Tarly, I, Daenerys of House Targaryen, First of My Name, Breaker of Chains, and Mother of Dragons, sentence you to die. Dracarys." (Kill of Named Character)

The most amazing part of this is that Daenerys doesn't chortle while saying "Dickon Tarly". The composure of a true and rightful Queen of the Seven Kingdoms. -nyan

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2017 Aug 15 alicehanners, vjdev2015, Lem Lemoncake, WampaLord like this
They chose to die rather than bend the knee, not sure I agree with giving her kill credit -nickcota

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2017 Aug 15
These are the points that come direct from Drogon burning them (which are given to Daenerys due to her special). In keeping with the direct kills only change, Daenerys would not be getting any points simply for ordering the kill. -nyan

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2017 Aug 15

Episode 6: Beyond the Wall

26:02 (+5) Beric Dondarrion:

Beric smacks his flaming sword onto the wight bear, setting it on fire. (Major Injury of Named Character)

Ah, named character "The Wight Bear" -derekjjjj

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2017 Aug 23 theripleymanor likes this
His name was Jeremy and he was a good bear. -theripleymanor

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2017 Aug 24 jake.kmiech, nyan, hkeseyan, emilien.raggi, 2 others like this
To clarify, this is following along from the "boss fight" criteria that upgrades the status of these characters even if they have no name.

But I like Jeremy, I may add him into the draftables for future rewatch seasons. -nyan

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27:36 (+1) Beric Dondarrion:

Beric applies his flaming sword to cauterize the chest wounds suffered by Thoros at the paws of the wight bear. (Minor Injury of Named Character)

32:56 (+2) Beric Dondarrion:

Beric slices through a wight during the ambush on the White Walker scouting party. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

46:06 (+1) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

The Hound shatters the jaw of a wight with one hell of an accurate rock throw. "Dumb cunt." (Major Injury of Unnamed Character)

47:15 (+44) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

The Hound smashes 22 wights in the ensuing battle as the Night King's Army of the Dead descends upon the group. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

47:29 (+62) Beric Dondarrion:

Beric cuts down 31 wights in the ensuing battle as the Night King's Army of the Dead descends upon the group. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

51:38 (+604) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys and her three dragons ride in to save the day for Jon Snow, Jorah, Tormund, the Hound, and Beric, laying waste to a massive number of wights with their dragonfire. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

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There is already a 100 point cap for raw scoring, and for the perspective of a head to head match, dany totaly deserve to win her match for a specific episode where she uses her dragons so 200 or 600 points doesn't make a difference, that's why she is ranked #1 for the draft. Go check the post about dany in episode 4 for more info. -emilien.raggi

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2017 Aug 24 jake.kmiech likes this
I agree with tommy James. There is not point limit on raw scoring. Danerys got 604 points for the dang dragons. The leader of our league is 800+ points ahead of 2nd -playabills

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2017 Aug 24
For this season it'll stay where it is, out of consistency/fairness. But as we approach the endgame of the show, where we may be getting a dragon-roasting every episode or in the majority of episodes, it does become more of a balance issue.

Some of it may take care of itself, as the dragons are now split off to competing allegiances (Viserion for the Night King, and other characters can steal the dragon points if they become a rider). But at most we still end up with 3 characters dominating the field. The dragons themselves could also be made individually draftable.

For Roto this problem takes care of itself - you can spend your likely first round pick on a dragon character, who might instantly put you top 3 in the Kills category, but will give you nothing else but that stat (a common tradeoff, and typically an inefficient one). For the other leagues, perhaps we may consider some alternative drafting options that will make them cost a fairer value (allow draft pick trading, or implement auction/salary cap leagues). Or perhaps a league may selectively ban certain characters from the draft list, or choose their own league-specific nerfs (e.g. all points from this OP character list will be halved or even 1/10th'd). Part of the problem is that people have an assessment that the dragons are somewhere between mildly to extremely OP, and it's hard to come up with a way to compensate for that without pinning the value, so for the site I think everyone will be more satisfied if the leagues/players have the options to set that nerfing value for themselves.

Doing the point cap thing, or coming up with an arbitrary fractional kill is my least preferred option, mostly from a stat-keeping purity standpoint. -nyan

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53:14 (+1) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

The Hound secures the cargo by impaling the wight onto one of Drogon's spines for the flight out. (Major Injury of Unnamed Character)

Episode 7: The Dragon and the Wolf

22:15 (+1) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

After revealing the wight to the audience in King's Landing, Sandor Clegane reels back its chain and bisects the wight as it charges him. (Major Injury of Unnamed Character)

51:43 (+1) Harrag (actor: Brendan Cowell):

After Theon challenges his crew to sail on a mission to rescue Yara, Harrag decks Theon, beating him bloody on the beaches of Dragonstone. (Minor Injury of Named Character)

59:58 (+10) Arya Stark:

Arya slits a groveling Littlefinger across his throat, after his betrayals and treason are exposed by Sansa in the court of Winterfell to the Northern and Vale lords.

Sansa: "Thank you for all your many lessons, Lord Baelish. I will never forget them." (Kill of Named Character)

Political Wins

Episode 1: Dragonstone

0:58 (+3) Arya Stark:

"... so I can tell you my plans for this great house, now that Winter has come". (House Words)

Questionable. Will Dany get points every time she mentions fire or blood? -alicehanners

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2017 Jul 18
Agreed. "Tell them Winter came for House Frey" was great. This quote doesn't carry the same weight. -dlapato

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2017 Jul 18
Daenerys does get points for "Fire and Blood", but it does need to include both of them. It is a little loose here, the operative words are "winter"and "coming", and slight variations of it, but as long as those two words are together I think it's okay to count (but if everyone feels strongly about strict wording, we can stick to that). I do think the wording in both lines was chosen specifically to echo the Stark words.

I don't see much difference between "winter has come" and "winter came", in terms of how well it sticks to the wording - it would be both or none. The House Words scoring is just for dropping the lines, there's no need for them to be quality/impactful lines unlike the Insults category. -nyan

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3:30 (+3) Arya Stark:

"Tell them Winter came for House Frey." (House Words)

8:37 (+3) Eddison Tollett:

Edd learns that Bran Stark is still alive, after he and Meera Reed show up to the gates of Castle Black. (Secret Discovery)

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I don't know, Stannis just said in passing "I know what dragonglass is, we have it in Dragonstone", but he didn't say how much or where to get it. Plus I think it's easy to forget things that are said in passing like that. Especially since he had that whole traumatic incident with Gilly later on. The maesters' book actually spelled out exactly where it is in the mine, and how much and gave a ton of info on how it can be used. (maybe I'm just trying to convince myself that there are no mistakes in the show) -tommyjames81

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2017 Jul 22 nyan likes this
But if he says something in passing is it really a secret? -hindsight44

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2017 Jul 22
Will officially add the above criteria (first person to know outside of the secret-holder, and has power to distribute or maintain the secret) to the official scoring, and grant secret points to Edd for this. -nyan

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2017 Jul 24

10:14 (+3) Lyanna Mormont:

Lyanna quells the Northern Lords' resistance to Jon's plan of enlisting women on the front lines to help defend the North

Robett Glover: "You expect me to put a spear in my granddaughter's hand?"
Lyanna Mormont: "I don't plan on knitting by the fire while men fight for me. I might be small, Lord Glover, and I might be a girl, but I am every bit as much a Northerner as you."
Robett: "Indeed you are, my lady. No one has questioned-"
Lyanna: "And I don't need your permission to defend the North. We'll begin training every man, woman, boy, and girl on Bear Island." (Convincing Argument)

45:38 (+6) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

While looking into Thoros' flames, Sandor Clegane discovers the location of the planned White Walker invasion: Eastwatch-by-the-Sea.

"Ice. A wall of ice. The Wall. ... It's where the Wall meets the sea. There's a castle there. There's a mountain. Looks like an arrowhead. The dead are marching past. Thousands of them." (Secret Discovery)

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is this really a secret discovery? i remember we counted bran's discoveries while time travelling but those were actually displayed to us, the audience. this didn't happen here and it is not confirmed if this is truly what's going to happen. -Lem Lemoncake

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2017 Jul 20
Would characters present receive the "Secret Discovery" and/or Thoros have had the same Secret Discovery? -EvanWolfe

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2017 Jul 21 jake.kmiech likes this
@Lem Lemoncake it does flirt the line, especially as we've seen with Melisandre, a lot of her supposedly prophetic visions of Stannis as Azor Ahai turned out to be false. There is also a retroactive perspective, what if say a character gets spy reports from someone who was a double-agent, and it's actually a betryal in the end? My gut is to let these points exist, there will be plot twists so no secret is 100% infallible. But this is much more of a secret than Melisandre's visions, because it includes very specific, actionable information rather than "Stannis I saw that you were King and fighting against the WW someday".

@EvanWolfe, good point about Thoros/Beric as well... it seems like they've been generally aware of this, but in any case that'd be new information since the last time we saw them. I'll add secret points for them both. -nyan

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45:38 (+3) Beric Dondarrion:

While looking into Thoros' flames, Sandor Clegane discovers the location of the planned White Walker invasion - Eastwatch-by-the-Sea - a secret which Beric seems to already be aware of.
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Sandor Clegane: "Ice. A wall of ice. The Wall. ... It's where the Wall meets the sea. There's a castle there. There's a mountain. Looks like an arrowhead. The dead are marching past. Thousands of them."
Beric: "Do you believe me now, Clegane?" (Secret Discovery)

45:38 (+3) Thoros of Myr:

While looking into Thoros' flames, Sandor Clegane discovers the location of the planned White Walker invasion - Eastwatch-by-the-Sea - a secret which Thoros and the Brotherhood seem to already be aware of.
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Sandor Clegane: "Ice. A wall of ice. The Wall. ... It's where the Wall meets the sea. There's a castle there. There's a mountain. Looks like an arrowhead. The dead are marching past. Thousands of them."
Beric: "Do you believe me now, Clegane?" (Secret Discovery)

52:08 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys reclaims her ancestral home, the abandoned castle of Dragonstone, once commanded by Stannis Baratheon. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

Episode 2: Stormborn

0:00 (+3) Arya Stark:

Arya encounters Nymeria in the forest, where she leads her own pack of wolves. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

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Except the wolves left her... -craigdietz20

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2017 Jul 26
Technically, it's Nymeria's army of wolves, not Arya, as evidenced by Nymeria not choosing to go with her. -WampaLord

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2017 Jul 26
No one is saying that the wolves are Arya's. The wolves are Nymeria's army. Due to Arya's special she gets points whenever Nymeria gets points, regardless where Nymeria is or what she's doing. -ssantise

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0:00 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos suggests that Daenerys's dragons will be a powerful asset against the fight against the wights, and suggests allying with her, despite Sansa's protests. Ultimately, Jon decides to personally travel to Dragonstone to meet with Daenerys, citing Davos' arguments in his appeal to the Northern Lords.

"What breathes fire?" ... "But if the army of the dead makes it past the wall, do we have enough men to fight them?"

(Convincing Argument)

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0:00 (+3) Hot Pie:

Hot Pie learns that Arya Stark is back in Westeros after recognizing her at the inn. (Secret Discovery)

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5:16 (+3) Varys:

Varys convinces Daenerys that she doesn't need to demand his blind allegiance, as long as she is a just ruler.

Daenerys: "Proven himself loyal? Quite the opposite. If he dislikes one monarch, he conspires to crown the next one. What kind of servant is this?"

Varys: "The kind the realm needs. Incompetence should not be rewarded with blind loyalty. As long as I have my eyes, I'll use them. I wasn't born into a great house. I came from nothing. I was so sold as a slave, and carved up as an offering. When I was a child I lived in gutters, alleys, abandoned houses. You want to know where my true loyalties lie? Not with any king or queen, but with the people. The people, who suffer under despots and prosper under just rule, the people whose hearts you aim to win." (Convincing Argument)

21:06 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys overrules the direct assault advocated by the Greyjoys, Tyrells, and Dornish, opting for a less violent siege on King's Landing and attack on Casterly Rock. (Executive Decision)

I will admit that I did not play in the league last year but just like the rule about brokering a deal that you must be a third party this seems to fall under the same logic.
According to the rulebook: Overruling: An "executive" decision is made unilaterally over the protest of at least 1 third party involved in the discussion
Overruling doesn't apply to a second party who is the target of the discussion.

Daenerys is the second party and the target of the discussion. The Greyjoys, Tyrells, and Dornish are trying to convince her and her army to do something not a third party. Danerys is speaking on her own behalf not for someone else. I feel that is directly falls under the exception stated in the rulebook
-ssantise

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2017 Jul 24
The 2nd party is meant as the target of the decision. So for Joffrey executing Ned, Ned is the 2nd party, so obviously his disagreement will be overridden, but if any small council members protested they would be counted as opposition. -nyan

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2017 Jul 24
Yes and i believe Daenerys and her army are the target of the decision. My argument was constructed around the logic behind the reasoning for brokering a deal role. Which was designed so characters like vayrs and little finger can get points but not characters like Jon Snow and Daenerys since they will allready be getting points when the actual event occurs e.g. (when Daenerys actually follows through with the attack on Casterly Rock and King's Landing) -ssantise

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2017 Jul 24
she will get her points then

forgot to add this to my last comment -ssantise

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2017 Jul 24
Hmmm @ssantise you make a fair point. I suppose a rules rewording may be in order, to better get behind the spirit of the idea: if Joffrey orders Ned to be executed, and everybody is onboard with it except for Ned who obviously is not, it's not a very politically tough decision - there is nobody Joffrey had to convince or overrule to carry it out. Here Daenerys has credible resistance to her decision, and she either has to convince or intimidate her allies into obeying. I suppose in the Joffrey case, the thing about Ned's opposition that doesn't matter is not that he's the 2nd party, but that as a prisoner he doesn't have any political power that would matter in the decision. -nyan

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2017 Jul 31

Episode 3: The Queen's Justice

0:00 (+3) Harrag (actor: Brendan Cowell):

Harrag's ship discovers the fate of Theon as he picks him up out of the rubble and water after Euron's attack on Yara's fleet. (Secret Discovery)

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Also I don't believe this relevant to the slippery slope discussion. In that event the argument was based upon the idea that it was no secret that the dragonglass was at Dragonstone. Unlike the dragonglass there is no Stannis or Tyrion casually talking about where Theon was before Harrag pulled him on board. In fact as you pointed out, the only character to talk about Theon at all since he disappeared is Euron, who thinks he's dead, all the while Theon is secretly still alive. -ssantise

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2017 Aug 1
Bullshit -carter5719

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2017 Aug 2
Harrag is gonna need a special this season :) any thoughts? -jgiuliano

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2017 Aug 2

54:48 (+3) Grey Worm :

Grey Worm and his Unsullied step over the bodies of dead Lannister soldiers atop the walls at Casterly Rock, surveying their victory in taking the castle. (Victorious Battle)

Greywoem may have won the battle, but isn't it Danaerys who actually wins the castle? -mary.d.piccione

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2017 Aug 1 Lem Lemoncake likes this
Did he win the castle? Or did Euron trap him in the castle? -Th3 JaBBeRWoCK

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2017 Aug 1
I think we'll count it even as a temporary or pyrrhic victory. As for Dany, in general it feels like this is a point for the general who leads the battle, but it can transfer to Daenerys once she gets her boots on the ground, or if we get a line from Grey Worm like "the castle is yours, your Grace." -nyan

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2017 Aug 1
-Elon

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2017 Aug 2
Battle of the Bastards did result in Battle Victory points for Ramsay (http://fantasora.com/event/2892). In the rulebook it states that large battles can be divided up and have multiple victory points awarded for each segment. Think of it like an Assault map for a game like Battlefield or TF2, there are intermediate points for each objective taken. -nyan

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2017 Aug 2

54:48 (+3) Grey Worm :

Grey Worm and his Unsullied step over the bodies of dead Lannister soldiers atop the walls at Casterly Rock, surveying their victory in taking the castle. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

Episode 4: The Spoils of War

13:00 (+3) Arya Stark:

Arya convinces the Winterfell guards to allow her into the castle: "I'm getting into this castle one way or another. If I'm not who I say I am, I won't last long. But if I am, and Sansa finds you've turned me away..." (Convincing Argument)

19:51 (+3) Arya Stark:

At the Stark sibling reunion party, Bran regifts Littlefinger's Valyrian steel dagger to Arya.

Arya: "Are you sure? It's Valyrian steel."
Bran: "It's wasted on a cripple." (New Weapon)

29:38 (+3) Arya Stark:

Arya asserts that Brienne's vow means that she serves her as well, compelling her to engage in a sparring match. "You swore to serve both my mother's daughters, didn't you?" (New Follower/Prisoner)

Not quite as formal as bending the knee to Sansa, but a pretty strong assertion and following through on the command for Arya. -nyan

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2017 Aug 8 jake.kmiech likes this
I would like to argue this is not gaining a new follower. Arya already knew Brienne had sworn her sword to her as we knew with the fight for the Hound. After she defeated the Hound Arya had to hide from Brienne because she was do dedicated to serving Arya.

Compare this to when Arya met with Nymeria this season. Nymeria showed zero interest in following Arya and decided to take her own path. Yet Arya still got points for a new army points. Even though Nymeria has shown she considers herself independent. This set the precedent that the follower/ followee relationship is set regardless of the followee wants the help of the follower. In short its not right that Nymeria is follower of Arya even though Nymeria rejected Arya and that Brienne isnt a follower of Arya because Arya rejected her. By the precedent set by the show Brienne has been a follower of Arya since her encounter with the Hound not this episode. If anythinf Arya is now Briennes follower in the sense that Arya wants to learn from Brienne how to fight. -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 8
Clarification for Nymeria - it was Nymeria who acquired the "new army" of wolves, however all of these points transferred to Arya only because of her special ability which is that she gets points for anything Nymeria does. If Nymeria and Arya were separately draftable characters, Nymeria would have gotten the new army points and Arya would have gotten zero points for that scene.

If a character rejects a follower/title/castle/etc, it will not count. For example in S7E3 when Bran rejected Sansa naming him Lord of Winterfell. While Brienne made the pledge earlier and tried to assert it in the battle with the Hound, this is the first moment when Arya actually accepts that servitude. -nyan

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2017 Aug 8 jake.kmiech likes this
In S6E5 Dany stops Jorah from leaving and commands him to cure his greyscale. Previous to this point Jorah had been exiled and rejected by Dany. Yet she didnt get any points for new follower. -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 8
If/when Jorah gets back to Dany and pledges his services again, she would get him back as a follower. -nyan

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40:04 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Ignoring the stern advice of Tyrion and all her other advisors, Daenerys finally puts herself and her dragons into action, riding Drogon into the field of battle to attack the Lannister caravan. (Executive Decision)

49:30 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Although Drogon is injured, Daenerys and her Dothraki horde are successful in attacking the wagon train of Tyrell loot and breaking the Lannister army. (Victorious Battle)

Episode 5: Eastwatch

7:15 (+6) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys rounds up the Lannister prisoners in the aftermath of the battle, which include Randyll and Dickon Tarly. (New Follower/Prisoner)

She does say that she isn't putting people in chains, does this count? -hkeseyan

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2017 Aug 15
They all bent the knee theyre followers not prisoners -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 15
They're prisoners of war for the few hours post-battle. She decides she doesn't want to keep them around as prisoners, but the fact that she can make that decision about their fates shows that they are her prisoners I think. -nyan

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2017 Aug 15 jake.kmiech likes this
How does that then work with Jon and Davos? They're being held against their will, but she also says clearly that they are not her prisoners ("not yet"). -hkeseyan

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2017 Aug 15
It seems pretty easy to just ask the question in a pragmatic way - do the characters have any freedom of movement or action, or are they compelled to stay in the custody of another character? The Tarlys are clearly in Daenerys' custody, Jon/Davos were definitely floating close to it in the initial meeting (since they had their weapons and boat taken away too). -nyan

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9:32 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys rejects Tyrion's pleas for mercy or alternative punishments for the Lannister army, choosing to burn those who will not bend.

"I meant what I said. I'm not here to put them in chains. If that becomes an option many will take it. I gave them a choice. They made it." (Executive Decision)

18:06 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

After getting that infection checked out at the Maester Clinic, Daenerys happily accepts Jorah Mormont back into service as her First Sword of the Friendzone.

Jorah: "I return to your service, my Queen, if you'll have me." (New Follower/Prisoner)

34:49 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos tracks down Gendry in King's Landing. "I wasn't sure I'd find you. Thought you might still be rowing. I looked in shops, taverns, brothels. Should have known to come straight to the Street of Steel." (Secret Discovery)

35:49 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos has an easier time than expected convincing Gendry to leave King's Landing.

Gendry: "You came to get me. You want me to come with you."
Davos Seaworth: "Well, the thing you need to understand is-"
Gendry: "I'm ready. Let's go." (New Follower/Prisoner)

53:29 (+3) Arya Stark:

Arya breaks into Littlefinger's chambers and discovers the hidden raven letter, a note from Sansa Stark while she was held captive in King's Landing, asking Robb Stark to come south and bend the knee. (Secret Discovery)

Episode 6: Beyond the Wall

23:27 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys rejects Tyrion's proposal that she name an heir.

Tyrion Lannister: "But there are other ways of choosing a successor. The Night's Watch has one method. The Ironborn, for all their many flaws, have another-"
Daenerys: "We will discuss the succession after I wear the crown." (Executive Decision)

39:38 (+3) Beric Dondarrion:

Beric says a brief prayer for Thoros after they discover him perished in the night. "Lord of Light, show us the way. Come to us in our darkness and lead your servant into the light ... Lord of Light, come to us in our darkness. For the night is dark and full of terrors." (House Words)

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Same argument as for jon, did you already scored this for melissandre or another priestess (or even beric before? I don't recall if he already said that in previous seasons) ? -emilien.raggi

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2017 Aug 23
This was added as House Words for "religious leaders", from the rulebook:

> Religious leaders (not basic worshippers) also have "dual citizenship", gaining points for their common religious phrases.

I think it could be argued Beric is not technically a priest, however he's the most ardent Lord of Light fanatic we have going now. -nyan

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2017 Aug 23 emilien.raggi and jedjackoway like this
Okay I agree then, it makes sense :) -emilien.raggi

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2017 Aug 24

45:10 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys ignores Tyrion's pleas, flying off with her three dragons to rescue Jon Snow and his expedition to capture a wight. "I'm not doing nothing again." (Executive Decision)

45:50 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

The Hound wields Gendry's warhammer, after Tormund forced him to leave it behind for the group so Gendry could make the marathon run back to Eastwatch faster. (New Weapon)

59:05 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Sandor loads the prized captured wight into a boat headed for King's Landing. (New Follower/Prisoner)

62:12 (+3) Arya Stark:

Arya catches Sansa in the act of searching through her room for the copy of the compromising raven letter. "Not what you're looking for?" (Secret Discovery)

Whats the secret here? That Sansa was snooping? -kevinpetsky

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2017 Aug 23
Illegal warrantless searches. This is like Snowden exposing Sansa's secret government backdoor into all the supposedly private chambers of Winterfell. -nyan

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2017 Aug 23
But yes, perhaps this is too minor of a secret to count. Doesn't quite have huge political ramifications to know that Sansa is a snooper, although it certainly breaks their trust further. Littlefinger got a similar score last week for catching Arya. -nyan

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2017 Aug 23

67:27 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

After she rescues Jon Snow's expedition from the Army of the Dead and pledges to fight the war, Jon swallows his pride and agrees to bend the knee.

"Alright, not Dany. How about 'My Queen'? I'd bend the knee, but..." (New Follower/Prisoner)

kiss already ffs -Lem Lemoncake

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2017 Aug 23 nyan likes this
? they're both getting a new negative special for warm barfy moments ?_? -nyan

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2017 Aug 23 Lem Lemoncake and hkeseyan like this
Haha, I'd rather they marry already. Give them negative special points for each time we're waiting for one of them to make the first move and it's not happening.
When Jon said "my queen", I first thought it was meant as a proposal, same as with the cavepainting scene - but they keep disappointing me ;( -Lem Lemoncake

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2017 Aug 23

Episode 7: The Dragon and the Wolf

59:13 (+3) Bronze Yohn Royce:

Royce rejects the command of Littlefinger, dooming him to Sansa's sentence in his 'trial' at the court of Winterfell.

Petyr Baelish: "I am Lord Protector of the Vale and I command you to escort me safely back to the Eyrie."
Yohn Royce: "I think not." (Act of Betrayal)

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Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

Episode 1: Dragonstone

2:32 (+3) Arya Stark:

"But you didn't slaughter every one of the Starks. No, no, that was your mistake. You should have ripped them all out, root and stem. Leave one wolf alive and the sheep are never safe. When people ask you what happened here tell them the North remembers. Tell them winter came for House Frey." (Threat)

40:08 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Thoros: "Bad night to be outdoors."
Sandor: "You've got real powerful magic to figure that out. Did the Lord of Light whisper that in your ear? 'It's snowwing, Thoros.
It's winnndy. It's gonna be a coold night.'" (Funny Line)

40:17 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Thoros: "Why are you always in such a foul mood?"
Sandor: "... Experience." (Funny Line)

41:04 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

to Thoros: "I'll tell you what doesn't scare me: bald cocksuckers like you. You think you're fooling anyone with that top knot?" (Witty Insult)

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44:22 (+6) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

"It's my fucking luck I end up with a band of fire-worshippers" -as Thoros beckons him over to check out the magic prophecy fire he just started (Funny Line)

Episode 2: Stormborn

0:00 (+3) Arya Stark:

Hot Pie: "You've been making pies?"
Arya: "One or two." (in reference to her Frey pies) (Funny Line)

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0:00 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

on Melisandre's arrival to Dragonstone, after Varys protests that she had served Stannis Baratheon: "You chose an auspicious day to arrive at Dragonstone. We've just decided to pardon those who once served the wrong King." (Witty Insult)

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I didn't think this line was particularly humorous. I will say that it was well said or creative but according to the rulebook only insults and threats get points for this. Since this quote was neither, it should only get points for being funny, which it is not. -ssantise

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2017 Jul 24
I'll grant it, I didn't think it was humorous, but it is partway to an insult as a way of shutting down Varys' objections and reminding him of his sorta-hypocrisy. -nyan

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2017 Jul 25
This is true, i didnt take into account that Varys was in the room when she said this and even though she was speaking to Melisandre, the jab was directed a Varys. -ssantise

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2017 Jul 25

0:00 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos' comments on the letter from Tyrion: "Sounds like a charmer. Casual mention of a Dothraki horde, a legion of Unsullied, and 3 dragons - a bit less charming." (Funny Line)

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Episode 3: The Queen's Justice

9:39 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Missandei: "You stand in the presence of Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, rightful heir to the Iron Throne, rightful Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms, the Mother of Dragons, the Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, the Unburnt, the Breaker of Chains."
Davos: "This is Jon Snow." (Funny Line)

20:08 (+3) Harrag (actor: Brendan Cowell):

Theon Greyjoy: "I couldn't save her (Yara). I tried."
Harrag: "You wouldn't be here, if you tried." (Witty Insult)

38:14 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys catches Tyrion in one of his signature made-up proverbs and calls him out:

Tyrion: "I'd very much like to believe that Jon Snow is wrong. But a wise man once said that you should never believe a thing simply because you want to believe it."
Daenerys: "Which wise man said this?"
Tyrion: "I don't remember."
Daenerys: "Are you trying to present your own statements as ancient wisdom?" (Funny Line)

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Episode 4: The Spoils of War

12:26 (+3) Koner (actor: Joseph Quinn):

to Arya: "Look, its cold and we're busy. So you know... best fuck off." (Witty Insult)

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21:02 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Missandei: "Your Grace, there's still no word from the Unsullied."
Daenerys: "Soon, he (Grey Worm) will come back to you."
Missandei: "He better."
Daenerys: "What happened?"
Missandei: "Many things."
Daenerys: "... many things?" ? (Funny Line)

?? -Lem Lemoncake

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2017 Aug 8
Wouldn't Missandei get the points instead of Dany? Dany just repeats what Missandei said -hkeseyan

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2017 Aug 8 alicehanners likes this
I would give missandei the points instead of dany, she is the funny one in this conversation -emilien.raggi

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2017 Aug 8 alicehanners likes this
Yeah it's a bit of a toss up, or perhaps we should double count them for both? For me, if the scene ends on Missandei's line it's not that funny of a dialogue. It's Daenerys' line and then the knowing glances they exchange that make the scene. -nyan

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2017 Aug 8 Lem Lemoncake, jake.kmiech, dopeghoti, jayson.the.pirate like this
I don't even consider this scene as funny as some of the funny lines that were rejected before, particularly last week. If it was up to me I would give no points. I can see however that some people thought it was funny, but definitely not funny to get double counted. There have been a lot wittier back-and-forth exchanges that did not get counted either for double nor even single points. -hkeseyan

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29:56 (+3) Arya Stark:

Brienne: "You can't use that, My Lady, it's too small." (referring to Arya's sword, Needle)
Arya: "I won't cut you, don't worry." (Threat)

31:59 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos: "What do you think of her?"
Jon: "Who?"
Davos: "I believe you know of whom I speak." ?
Jon: "I think she has a good heart."
Davos: "A good heart? I've noticed you staring at her good heart." (Funny Line)

32:19 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos corrects Jon's grammar with a classic callback from his former King, Stannis Baratheon:

Jon Snow: "How many men do we have in the North to fight him? 10,000? Less?"
Davos: "Fewer."
Jon: "What?" (Funny Line)

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32:30 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Missandei: "Ser Davos, Lord Snow."
Davos: "King Snow, isn't it? No, that doesn't sound right. King Jon?" (Funny Line)

32:30 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Missandei: "We don't have marriage in Narth, so the concept of a bastard doesn't exist."
Davos: "That sounds... liberating." (Funny Line)

33:58 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Missandei: "All of us who came with her from Essos, we believe in her. She's not our Queen because she's the daughter of some king we never knew. She's the Queen we chose."
Davos, to Jon Snow: "Will you forgive me if I switch sides?" (Funny Line)

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Episode 5: Eastwatch

23:05 (+3) Varys:

Tyrion: "She gave Tarly a choice, a man who had taken up arms against her. What else could she do?"
Varys: "Not burn him alive alongside his son?" (Funny Line)

24:16 (+3) Varys:

Tyrion: "Who's that (raven letter) for?"
Varys: "Jon Snow."
Tyrion: "Did you read it?"
Varys: "It's a sealed scroll for the King in the North."
...
Tyrion: "What's it say?"
Varys: "Nothing good." (Funny Line)

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Tyrion only imo. Tyrion calls out Varys after Varys already tried to be deceptive, he does all the legwork here -hkeseyan

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2017 Aug 16
id say both, its entirely possible for a joke to need two people to make it work. -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 17
Added in a score for Tyrion's response here: http://fantasora.com/event/3608

I'll say Varys' follow-up is good enough to count, even if Tyrion's was the climax of the punchline. -nyan

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2017 Aug 18

31:25 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

after smuggling Tyrion through Blackwater Bay: "There's a path to the left that hugs the cliff. The guards hardly ever patrol it. Too many steps." (Funny Line)

31:41 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Tyrion: "What if someone takes the boat?"
Davos: "Then we're fooked. Best hurry." (Funny Line)

34:48 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

to Gendry: "I wasn't sure I'd find you. Thought you might still be rowing." (Funny Line)

35:11 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Gendry: "Aren't you worried about the Gold Cloaks?"
Davos: "Haven't been here in years. Why should they recognize me? Sometimes I hardly do.
Nothing fucks you harder than time." (Funny Line)

37:33 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Gold Cloaks, after already accepting Davos' bribe: "What's in the boat?
Davos: "Not more gold." (Comeback)

37:58 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos explains the goods he's smuggling in his boat.

"Fermented crab. One bucket of this triples a brothel's earnings for the week. A man thinks he's done. He's ready to go back to his loving family. But before he gets his breeches up, his lady of the hour pops a tiny spoon of that into his mouth. Five minutes later, he's back in the race." (Funny Line)

38:32 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

to the Gold Cloaks after giving them a free sample of the fermented crab: "I'd hurry to your favorite establishment, or you'll put a hole in that chainmail." (Funny Line)

39:06 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

"I really wouldn't try any more until you see how the first bite hits you." (as the Gold Cloaks return to the boat of fermented crab to get a better look at Tyrion) (Funny Line)

44:38 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Gendry: "I owe you my life. Twice over. But if what you said is true about what's up there, I can't wait out this war."
Davos: "Yep, nobody mind me. All I've ever done is live to a ripe old age." (Funny Line)

54:17 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Tormund: "Isn't it your job to talk him out of stupid fucking ideas like this?"
Davos: "I've been failing at that job of late. (Funny Line)

56:46 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

The Hound interrupts Beric's grand monologue.

Beric: "It doesn't matter what we think our reasons are. There's a greater purpose at work. And we serve it together, whether we know it or not. We may take the steps, but the Lord of Light-"
Hound: "For fuck's sake, will you shut your hole? Are we coming with you or not?" (Funny Line)

Episode 6: Beyond the Wall

6:02 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Gendry recaps his ordeal after being sold to the Red Priestess Melisandre.

Gendry: "You know what she did to me? She strapped me down on the bed, she stripped me naked-"
Sandor: "Sounds alright so far." (Funny Line)

6:22 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Gendry: "She wanted to kill me. And would have killed me if it weren't for-"
Sandor: "But they didn't, did they? So what you whinging about?"
Gendry: "I'm not whinging."
Sandor: "Your lips are moving and you complain about something. That's whinging. This one's been killed six times and you don't hear him bitching about it." (Witty Insult)

14:05 (+3) Arya Stark:

to Sansa: "What would little Lyanna Mormont say? She's younger than you were when you wrote this. Are you going to say 'But I was just a child'?" (Threat)

14:20 (+3) Arya Stark:

Sansa Stark: "You're angry. Sometimes anger makes people do unfortunate things."
Arya: "Sometimes fear makes them do unfortunate things. I'll go with anger." (Comeback)

15:42 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Sandor: "You want to suck my dick, is that it?"
Tormund Giantsbane: "Dick?"
Sandor: "Cock."
Tormund: "Ah, dick. I like it."
Sandor: "Bet you do. (Funny Line)

16:30 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Tormund: "I want to make babies with her - think of them. Great big monsters. They'd conquer the world."
Sandor: "How did a mad fucker like you live this long?" (Funny Line)

23:47 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Tyrion Lannister: "I'm trying to serve you by planning for the long term."
Daenerys: "Perhaps if you'd planned for the short term, we wouldn't have lost Dorne and Highgarden." (Witty Insult)

30:45 (+3) Thoros of Myr:

Jorah Mormont: "Something I've always wanted to know ... How drunk were you when you charged through the breach on Pyke?"
Thoros: "If I'm being honest, I don't remember charging through the breach. Some of the lads told me about it the next morning. Sounded like a good scrap." (Funny Line)

31:11 (+3) Thoros of Myr:

Jorah Mormont: "The Ironborn thought you were some kind of god. The way you were waving that flaming sword. I thought you were the bravest man I ever saw."
Thoros: "Just the drunkest." (Funny Line)

59:15 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Beric Dondarrion, as they part ways at Eastwatch: "We'll meet again, Clegane."
Sandor: "Fucking hope not." (Funny Line)

62:16 (+3) Arya Stark:

Sansa Stark: " I have hundreds of men here at Winterfell, all loyal to me."
Arya: "They're not here now." (Threat)

64:41 (+3) Arya Stark:

to Sansa: "Neither of us got to be the other person, did we? The world doesn't just let girls decide what they are going to be. But I can now. With the faces I can choose. I can become someone else. Speak in their voice, live in their skin. I can even become you. I wonder what it would feel like to wear those pretty dresses. To be the Lady of Winterfell. All I'd need to find out is your face." (Threat)

Episode 7: The Dragon and the Wolf

13:40 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Sandor Clegane: "Am I going to die in this shit city?"
Tyrion Lanniser: "You might."
Sandor: "And this is all your idea. Seems every bad idea has some Lannister cunt behind it." (Witty Insult)

14:57 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

to Gregor Clegane: "Remember me? Yeah, you do. You're even fucking uglier than I am now. What did they do to you? Doesn't matter. That's not how it ends for you, brother. You know who's coming for you. You've always known." (Threat)

56:26 (+3) Arya Stark:

Sansa Stark: "You stand accused of murder. You stand accused of treason. How do you answer these charges... Lord Baelish?"
Petyr Baelish: "...?"
Arya: "My sister asked you a question." (Threat)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

Episode 1: Dragonstone

39:05 (+5) Arya Stark:

Arya shares in some blackberry wine offered by the camp of Lannister soldiers. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 2: Stormborn

35:49 (+5) Arya Stark:

Arya goes for the ale after Hot Pie probes further into what she's been up to. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 5: Eastwatch

23:32 (+5) Varys:

Varys takes Tyrion wine cup and downs it while recollecting his days as the Mad Kind Aerys' adviser.

"I found the traitors, but I wasn't the one burning them alive. I was only a purveyor of information. It's what I told myself when I watched them beg for mercy - I'm not the one doing it. When the pitch of their screams rose higher - I'm not the one doing it. When their hair caught fire and the smell of their burning flesh filled the throne room - I'm not the one doing it." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

58:03 (+5) Thoros of Myr:

Thoros gives a glance back to the Hound as he takes a swig from his flask. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 6: Beyond the Wall

27:18 (+5) Thoros of Myr:

Thoros asks for a drink from his flask moments after being mauled by the wight bear. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

39:46 (+5) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

The Hound gets one short swig in before Jon ruins the party and takes back the flask. "We have to burn the body." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

Episode 2: Stormborn

26:17 (+5) Grey Worm :

Grey Worm kisses Missandei after confessing that she is his one weakness. (Act of Intercourse)

28:00 (+10) Grey Worm :

Grey Worm gets with Missandei on the very last night before he sails off for Casterly Rock. (Act of Intercourse)

Episode 7: The Dragon and the Wolf

61:12 (+10) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys invites Jon Snow into her room so that he can properly bend the knee. (Act of Intercourse)

One boob. http://i.imgur.com/Q4NnVAU.jpg -nyan

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2017 Aug 29
Shouldn't we teeeeechnically get incest points? maybe? -williamfmarr

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2017 Aug 29
Only Cersei and Jaime get those for their special ability :o -Lem Lemoncake

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2017 Aug 29 jedjackoway likes this
I think it may be fun to make that a general scoring booster for the sex category. And just +1 (+5) rather than the doubling. If we can think of one more additional couple that might incest, I'll add it for S8 and the rewatches. -nyan

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2017 Sep 1 jake.kmiech likes this
And so it begins.

Quick question. The new rule which says direct contact with certain body parts including the breasts and buttoz will receive points for intercourse.

Would this include a simple pat on the butt? -hindsight44

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2019 Feb 3
Oh man it's been a year and a half, I can't wait to get back into these debate. ?

By the letter of the ruling, a pat on the butt counts. But I do agree it's a bit PG. I'd be inclined to add in an "... except butts" exception to that line. -nyan

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2019 Feb 27

Deaths

Episode 1: Dragonstone

11:48 (+5) Harald Karstark:

Jon confirms that Harald Karstark died in the Battle of Winterfell (i.e. the Battle of the Bastards). "The punishment for treason is death. Smalljon Umber died on the field of battle.
Harald Karstark died on the field of battle." (Death)

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I argued pretty hard for the dip to 5 points after last season.

Basically it became really easy to reserve like 1/3 of your roster slots for streaming randos who were likely to die in the next episode, and this strategy was incredibly powerful in H2H with 10 point deaths. -jedjackoway

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2017 Jul 19 nyan and alicehanners like this
We'll keep it at 5, along the lines of the discussion last season. The deaths are a nice consolation, but shouldn't be a dominant strategy and it was being used that way with the adds. -nyan

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2017 Jul 20 jake.kmiech likes this
Good discussion. I love the site. I wish I was Bruce Wayne and we'd have this better than ESPN fanasty apps! -patmcconnell

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2017 Aug 6

Episode 6: Beyond the Wall

39:00 (+5) Thoros of Myr:

Thoros is found dead in the morning, having succumbed to his injuries and lack of snuggles in the frost as the the group is marooned on the rock isle in the middle of the frozen lake. (Death)

54:12 (+5) Daenerys Targaryen:

Viserion slumps into the icy depths of the lake after having been fatally struck by an ice javelin from the Night King. (Death)

69:10 (+2) Daenerys Targaryen:

Viseron's body is dragged back out from under the ice lake by a chain gang of wights. (Dead Body Appearance)

Episode 7: The Dragon and the Wolf

24:53 (+5) Captured Wight:

The captured wight is stabbed by Jon with dragonglass, as Jon demonstrates one of the two ways to kill the undead. (Death)

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Why doesn't the Captured Wight get death points? -majoyce2

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2017 Aug 29 brandonthebigB and nyan like this
And what happened to his lower body half? They burn his hand, dragonglass the upper body - but no one cares about the rest :O -Lem Lemoncake

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2017 Aug 29 nyan likes this
Oh right, totally missed that one! Adding. -nyan

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2017 Aug 29 jake.kmiech likes this
They show the corpse a few times too right? or does it have to be an entirely different scene for the corpse to get points for being shown? -brandonthebigB

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2017 Aug 29
Yes, a time or location jump is needed to be considered a separate "scene" -nyan

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2017 Aug 29

Special

Episode 1: Dragonstone

3:15 (+3) Arya Stark:

Arya peels off the mask of Walder Frey to reveal herself after assassinating the host of Freys in the dining hall at the Twins. (Special)

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@j.stainless11 I hear you, the nebulous specials are detrimental to fair scoring, at the same time implemented so the game could react better to fun stuff happening on the show. We do try to not be reactionary by adding stuff just because it happened in one episode, in this case Arya has been face changing for all of S6 so this seems like a well-established ability of hers at this point, not a one off. -nyan

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2017 Jul 24
Why would this count for arya? This isn't her special and if she's already getting a changed special then other characters need updated specials ASAP. -talindsey

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2017 Jul 26
I absolutely do not think that Arya should lose her Nymeria special @nathan. I would be fine with Arya adding Jaqen's old special additionally, many characters have multiple specials. I could maybe see a debate to replace the hitlist with this.

@talindsey you can argue for any character you like to get a new special, just start a new event. Your not gonna get anywhere trying to get other characters specials changed within the comments of separate character. There is currently a good debate going on about Euron's special too http://fantasora.com/event/3243 -ssantise

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2017 Jul 26

10:14 (+3) Lyanna Mormont:

Lyanna puts Lord Glover in his place after his resistance to Jon's plan of enlisting women on the front lines to help defend the North

Robett Glover: "You expect me to put a spear in my granddaughter's hand?"
Lyanna Mormont: "I don't plan on knitting by the fire while men fight for me. I might be small, Lord Glover, and I might be a girl, but I am every bit as much a Northerner as you."
Robett: "Indeed you are, my lady. No one has questioned-"
Lyanna: "And I don't need your permission to defend the North. We'll begin training every man, woman, boy, and girl on Bear Island." (Special)

42:43 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Sandor takes a bite out of some pocket jerky. (Special)

45:39 (+3) Thoros of Myr:

Thoros conjures a magic prophecy fire to share a vision of the White Walker invasion with Sandor Clegane. (Special)

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I think Thoros deserves some wine points for his rum drinking. Don't hate because he likes to party. -craigdietz20

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2017 Jul 21 hawaiikman, WampaLord, pacelli929, shannonferretti like this
Yeah... and it would help my low score this episode ;)
-hawaiikman

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2017 Jul 21
@craigdietz20 I couldn't find any instances of Thoros drinking, either on horse while approaching the farm or inside the farmhouse by the fire. He certainly clutches his flask the whole time, but never brings it up to this lips (as far as I can tell). -nyan

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2017 Jul 21 sanford likes this

Episode 2: Stormborn

19:17 (+3) Qyburn:

Qyburn presents a high-powered dragon-killing ballista to Cersei. "Apparently, one of Daenerys' dragons was wounded by spears in the fighting pits of Meereen. If they can be wounded, they can be killed." (Special)

35:09 (+12) Hot Pie:

Arya meets Hot Pie at the Crossroads Inn, where he has baked up 4 on-screen pies: the Jorah special being eaten by two unnamed characters, Arya's pie, and two more left on the serving tray. (Special)

Episode 3: The Queen's Justice

4:24 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Tyrion Lannister greets Ser Davos on his arrival to Dragonstone: "Ah, the Onion Knight" (Special)

Episode 5: Eastwatch

10:24 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

"Lord Randyll Tarly, Dickon Tarly, I, Daenerys of House Targaryen, First of My Name, Breaker of Chains, and Mother of Dragons, sentence you to die. Dracarys." (Special)

Episode 6: Beyond the Wall

25:49 (+3) Beric Dondarrion:

Beric lights his sword on fire as the wight bear descends on the party. (Special)

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It was badass, but I assume they're gonna do it in every fight, which would include some automatism as well? I liked the part where Beric lit up his sword to burn out Thoros' wound - if I understood that correctly :D So maybe a special would be points for every time lighting up a sword for non-fighting purposes. However, I have no idea if this will ever happen again.
Generally, the swordsonfire are fooken awesome, so I'd be fine with them getting points for it, even if it means to automatic extra points for every fight. -Lem Lemoncake

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2017 Aug 22
I was thinking the ignition scenes where they are shown lighting it up, but not just for the flaming sword being already on. -nyan

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2017 Aug 22 Lem Lemoncake likes this
I like that special as well. -talindsey

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2017 Aug 22
When he burnt Thoros' wound, it was already on fire from the fight with the bear -emilien.raggi

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2017 Aug 22
I forgot I had already given Beric one for everytime he fights with the flaming sword. I'm going to just change it to the ignition - it's a cooler moment than just seeing him in the background with the sword, and the points should be the same (he had 1 fight scene without showing the ignition, but also ignited it once to burn Thoros' body which wasn't a fight). -nyan

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2017 Aug 23 jake.kmiech and emilien.raggi like this

25:49 (+3) Thoros of Myr:

Thoros lights his sword on fire as the wight bear descends on the party. (Special)

40:06 (+3) Beric Dondarrion:

Beric lights up his flaming sword to cremate the remains of Thoros of Myr. (Special)

47:04 (+3) Beric Dondarrion:

Beric lights up his firesaber as the wight army approaches over the re-frozen ice. (Special)

The Feels

Episode 5: Eastwatch

15:08 (+0) Daenerys Targaryen:

Jon Snow, secret Targaryen, shares a moment and boops le snoot of the fierce and beautiful - gorgeous!, actually - Drogon. (Warm Fuzzy Moment)

45:47 (+0) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys says her goodbyes to Jorah once again, as she takes his hands into hers.

Daenerys: "We should be better at saying farewell by now."
Jorah: "Your Grace, I-" (stunned speechless by actual physical contact) (Warm Fuzzy Moment)

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