Submitted Events for GoT: Season 5

Kills

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

0:00 (+0) Jaqen H'ghar:

Jaqen kills the dude in the House of Black & White. It may have been the simple act of getting a cup of water and poisoning it or whatever, but he did it and I believe it should count.

submitted by alicehanners (rejected: suicide - not a kill)

Episode 8: Hardhome

0:00 (+0) White Walker (Night King):

Commanded the army of the White Walkers (Others) to attack the Wildlings.

submitted by cdpaddock (rejected)

Episode 10: Mother's Mercy

0:00 (+0) Brienne of Tarth:

Brienne kills Stannis

submitted by kas113 (rejected: duplicate)

0:00 (+0) Brienne of Tarth:

Killing of Stannis Baratheon

submitted by megharr36 (rejected: duplicate)

16:11 (+10) Brienne of Tarth:

Brienne executes Stannis Baratheon to avenge Renly's murder. "In the name of Renly of House Baratheon, First of His Name, rightful King of the Andals and the First Men... I, Brienne of Tarth, sentence you to die." (Kill of Named Character)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

Hmm... 3 likes so far. Originally I thought this was a somewhat ambiguous death, but I'm more certain she went through with it on a rewatch. -nyan

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2015 Jun 16
I'm not convinced that she killed him. Anyway, hasn't the convention been to delay awarding points until we have on-screen confirmation of a death (e.g. Barristan bled out at the end of one episode, but wasn't counted as a death until the following one when we see his body)? -elaine

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2015 Jun 16
@elaine, the pure scorekeeper in me doesn't like this as much either, but I'll end up recording the Kill and Death points based on it being highly likely that it happened. Pragmatically there is more riding on this death than Barristan's, because his potential death would just be recorded in the subsequent episode, which isn't a possibility here. Ultimately I think more players will be happier with the points recorded. -nyan

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2015 Jun 30

30:00 (+5) Ellaria Sand:

Ellaria mortally poisons herself with a substance on her lips, which she uses to assassinate Myrcella Baratheon. (Major Injury of Named Character)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

Political Wins

Episode 1: The Wars to Come

0:00 (+0) Stannis Baratheon:

Stannis has taken Mance Raydar prisoner

submitted by Reaper (rejected: happened in S4E10)

Episode 2: The House of Black and White

0:00 (+0) Qyburn:

Qyburn acquires a severed Dwarf Head

submitted by moonbaseu92 (rejected: hiding for now - may introduce later as special)

Which type of political win are we counting this under? -nyan

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2015 Apr 23
This would be a good special for Qyburn. Every time he requires a body/bodypart for his "research" -Reaper

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2015 Apr 23 moonbaseu92 likes this
It's a good Special idea for Qyburn. But because everyone has already completed their draft based on the existing character descriptions, it'd be unfair to change the Specials at this point (except for the S5 new chars, who all had disclaimers that their Specials were TBD).

I'll leave this as pending for now - I've gotten enough good Special suggestions that I may introduce some opt-in scoring rules for leagues that are OK with adjusting Special scoring after the draft. -nyan

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2015 Apr 23
where can we suggest specials for new characters? -Reaper

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2015 Apr 27
Best place to do that will be on the FB page - I've been waiting for the Sand Snakes to appear before making that post, but they *still* haven't yet. =/ -nyan

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2015 Apr 27

0:00 (+0) Petyr Baelish (Littlefinger):

Littlefinger to Sansa: My marriage proposal has been accepted.

submitted by moonbaseu92 (rejected: will be counted if/when marriage actually happens)

31:17 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei stacks the Small Council in her favor, appointing the loyal Mace Tyrell as Master of Coin and Qyburn as Master of Whisperers, over the protests of Grand Maester Pycelle and Kevan Lannister.
Grand Maester Pycelle: "Your Grace... him? This- this man (Qyburn)? This... embarrassment to the Citadel? ... what qualifications can he possibly have for this post?"
Cersei: "The qualification of loyalty, Grand Maester. That's far more than the eunuch ever had." (Politics - uncategorized)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

43:41 (+6) Jon Snow:

Samwell Tarly and Maester Aemon cast their votes for Jon Snow in the Night's Watch election. Jon edges past Ser Alliser Thorne in the election and becomes their Lord Commander. (Politics - uncategorized)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

Brought up by @moonbaseu92: "Should Jon get point from all the new "Followers" he now has as Lord Commander, at least for Named Night's Watch men who are "friendly" (not Slynt, maybe Thorne)?" -nyan

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2015 Apr 23
It's an excellent point, but a bit tricky to figure out where to limit the scope. I'd like to figure out the line and record this as a new precedent in the Rulebook.

The problem with awarding automatic followers when someone gains a new title is that it potentially has a limitless range. For example, when Tommen becomes King, did that automatically make *every* Lannister/Tyrell character in the Seven Kingdoms his follower?

I think a reasonable rule would be to require an explicit pledge or act of loyalty by the follower. So in Joffrey's case, he'd get the standard point just for receiving the title of King, but no automatic points for any of the hundreds of named subjects. However if a scene shows a character coming to King's Landing to pledge a *new* oath of fealty to King Joffrey (like he requested of Robb), that'd count as a follower.

Applied to this election, I think normally there'd be no new followers for Jon, even from those who enthusiastically support him like Samwell (same as how Tommen doesn't automatically get every Lannister/Tyrell as a follower). *However*, the Night's Watch is unique in that they carry out a democratic process, giving every member the agency to choose who they want to declare (vote) for. In this case, the votes casted are an explicit act for "I will follow Jon Snow if he wins the election", so the votes by Samwell and Maester Aemon are counted as new followers.

What does everyone else think of establishing this as the scoring rule for followers? -nyan

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2015 Apr 23
Sounds good to me. The more points scored the better and it helps improve some characters that might not score as much. As you said, it just needs to be more black and white for the scorekeepers. -wpearsal

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2015 Apr 23

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

0:00 (+0) Gregor Clegane (The Mountain):

Gregor demonstrates his not-deadness in Qyburns chambers. That's a win.

submitted by moonbaseu92 (rejected)

0:00 (+0) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow (a Stark by blood) says "Winter is coming" to Stannis.

submitted by wpearsal (rejected: already counted (event/1425))

0:00 (+0) Stannis Baratheon:

Stannis announces that he plans to march on Winterfell.
Stannis: "We march on Winterfell within the fortnight"

submitted by Reaper (rejected: didn't need to overrule/convince anyone)

There's an "executive decision" Politics category, but it requires someone to actually oppose Stannis (and then overruling that dissent would exercise his political muscle). I'm not sure it fits in any of the other categories. -nyan

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2015 Apr 28
"Making or Reversing Decisions on Major Issues"
The way it is worded sounds like making a major decision is worth points(which i think it should). I would suggest changing it to "Overruling or Reversing" to avoid future misunderstandings. -Reaper

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2015 Apr 28
The second requirement is what fails: "An 'executive' decision is made unilaterally over the protest of at least 1 other involved in the discussion." I'll see how I can re-organize the rulebook list to make it more clear. -nyan

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2015 Apr 29

Episode 4: The Sons of the Harpy

0:00 (+0) Cersei Lannister:

Appoints the High Sparrow as the new High Septon.

submitted by wpearsal (rejected)

0:00 (+0) Cersei Lannister:

Directly empowers the faith militant to enforce the beliefs of the sparrows on the public and, apparently anyone, as seen by the showdown with Tommen.

submitted by wpearsal (rejected)

0:00 (+0) Margaery Tyrell:

Margaery convinces Tommen to go see the High Sparrow about her brother Loras. He assembles the King's Guard and marches to the Septon!

submitted by dneanover (rejected: she only asked Tommen, didn't have to convince him)

Was thinking about this (got a couple of comments). Question: does this meet the "convinces a char to change their mind" criteria? I don't know that Tommen was opposed to freeing Loras initially; he had no idea he was locked up at all. -nyan

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2015 May 5
I can see your side to it. It call comes down to interpreting this section of the rulebook.
" Making or Reversing Decisions on Major Issues
Work-in-progress on the definition of "major". Decisions are considered major if:
They determine the life/death fate of a character." If this lead to his death later, does this get accounted for? -dneanover

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2015 May 5
Yeah, this part of the rulebook needs some better definitions - those lines are meant as an AND rather than an OR (I'll clear up the wording on this). It needs to be a major decision (this meets it), AND either be a reversal (Tommen initially didn't want to free Loras but was convinced) or an overrule (Tommen doesn't want to free Loras, but Margaery overrules him somehow and gives orders to the Kingsguard).

If Margaery could have convinced Tommen to actually attack the Sept, after Tommen comes back and says that there was no way to free Loras without violence, that would count as convincing. -nyan

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2015 May 5 dneanover likes this
While I would love the points, I appreciate the explanation. -dneanover

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2015 May 6

0:00 (+0) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow has taken Loras as a prisoner. Points for getting Royal authority to "make a mess" around Kings Landing(?). Does the High Sparrow get points for "Kills commanded" for what happened in the brothel?

submitted by moonbaseu92 (rejected: no kills commanded, which only applies to direct orders that can be carried out with 0 skill)

13:00 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei betrays the Tyrells, exposing Ser Loras' homosexuality to the High Sparrow and causing him to be arrested. (Politics - uncategorized)

submitted by moonbaseu92 (approved!)

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@moonbaseu92 @wpearsal, the High Septon one is already added - event/1443. -nyan

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2015 May 9
Yeah, these are good arguments for how to fit it in.

1. Betrayal of the Tyrells - it's kind of an indirectly achieved betrayal because she's just supporting the Faith, which so far no one (not Tommen or Margaery) is disagreeing with. But she achieved the same effect, and had the intention all along. I'll probably add it under this.

2. High Sparrow as a Follower is very interesting too. Normally I'd say that a simple position is not enough to be a follower, especially when that position has lots of independent power on its own (e.g. like any of the Small Council). I also have a hunch that the High Sparrow is not as in line with Cersei as she thinks (and she won't be able to control him later on). But I agree that his actions this episode are very much in line with a basic crony/henchmen.

2. Not sure I'd call it a secret - as Loras says, "everyone already knows". This might actually count for the High Sparrow though, because apparently he had no idea.

3. Don't think the changed mind applies because the Sparrow wasn't against imprisoning Loras - he just got new information and agreed that capturing him was the right thing to do.

3. I think in a regular Political move, Loras would be officially her prisoner. But she can't officially betray them so she sidesteps it and has the Sparrow do so.

4. I'd agree with overruling Tommen, but she was very sly about it. She didn't refuse to release him, she just said that she wasn't able to do anything about it. -nyan

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2015 May 9
Oh yeah I see the credit for imprisoning the high septon now. Sorry. -wpearsal

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2015 May 10

37:56 (+9) Ellaria Sand:

The Sand Snakes - Obara, Nymeria, and Tyene - agree to follow Ellaria on her mission to capture and kill Myrcella. "You must choose... Doran's way, and peace... or my way, and war." (Politics - uncategorized)

submitted by senduran.i (approved!)

I wanted to suggest this a few days ago as well, but then I re-read the rules and thought it wouldn't count because they say:
"A character can only "change minds" after they have firmly decided in favor of the opposite decision."

Or do the Sand Snakes count as an armed force that has been mobilized by Ellaria? Wouldn't it only count once then though? Or do you think that they want to not only mutilate, but kill Myrcella? So many questions :D -Lem Lemoncake

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2015 May 7
This was recorded as 3 new followers. Ellaria lays out a new plan to go it alone and capture/kill Myrcella (the initial one was to start a war with Doran's blessing, which was rejected). She asks for their support on this new one, which each of them gives. -nyan

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2015 May 7 Lem Lemoncake likes this
Ah, didn't think of the followers rule :) Thanks for elaborating, now I can enjoy the 9 points for Ellaria which lead to a 53:1 win for me instead of only 44:1 :p -Lem Lemoncake

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2015 May 8 nyan likes this

Episode 5: Kill the Boy

0:00 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Sansa discovers that Theon Greyjoy is still alive as a broken and disfigured captive of Ramsay Bolton in Winterfell. (Politics - uncategorized)

submitted by moonbaseu92 (approved!)

12:42 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund convinces Jon to mobilize the Night's Watch (and Jon himself) to accompany him on the mission to Hardhome, "They need to hear it from you. They need to know the ships they are boarding wot be torched in the middle of the sea. You come with me or I don't go." (Politics - uncategorized)

submitted by moonbaseu92 (approved!)

"Convincing: A character can only "change minds" after they had initially decided in the opposite decision.
Work-in-progress on the definition of "major" decision. Decisions are considered major if:
They mobilize an armed force. Precedents: Ned Stark ordering Beric Dondarrion to arrest the Mountain."
-moonbaseu92

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2015 May 27
hmm that's a fair point on Tormund's part (just to convince Jon). I may argue that Jon also deserves a point for convincing Tormund to go on this mission in the first place. Question though - did any of the Night's Watch actually come along on the journey? Or was it just Jon and a group of Wildlings? -nyan

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2015 May 27
Yes, there were at least 2 Brother's riding off with Jon and Tormund. D Edd among them. -moonbaseu92

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2015 May 28
Added this in... back in E5 when Tormund initially did the convincing. -nyan

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2015 Jun 1

Episode 6: Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

0:00 (+0) Obara Sand:

31:28"Unbowed. Unbent. Unbroken. For Oberyn." House words give politics points. (All the sand snakes said it)

submitted by megharr36 (rejected)

Episode 7: The Gift

0:00 (+0) Jon Snow:

Ghost wins the fight between Sam/Gilly and Gilly's attackers.

submitted by jedjackoway (rejected: a fight but not a battle)

7 more comments - see full thread

I think tacit threats are a bit of a slippery slope. This was brought up earlier in the comments when Areo Hotah glared at Ellaria (/event/1351). The wolves and dragons will growl or snarl in nearly every scene they're in. And every battle sequence features a dozen menacing glares or grunts by the fighting characters. It's hard to judge a line for those, and they somewhat go against the spirit of the category, which is to reward good lines. -nyan

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2015 May 27 jedjackoway likes this
I think that's a good argument against it being a threat.

I'm not sure I buy the "Hotah had underlings argument though"; if all of Stannis' men abandon him in the cold and he takes Winterfell alone, are we not going to give him credit for winning the battle because he didn't command anybody? -jedjackoway

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2015 May 27
The idea of the "battle commander victories" category is to reward political points for those characters (like a Tywin or Stannis or kind of Robb) who didn't get their hands dirty very often on-screen, but excelled at winning battles. So if for example Tormund goes Rambo-style, slaughters 1000 Bolton men and takes Winterfell - he'd get the 1000 kill points, he'd get Politics points for capturing Winterfell (gained a city/castle), but there wouldn't be a "battle commander victory". He did all of the killing/fighting himself, and that's already accounted for via the Kill points. -nyan

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2015 May 27

0:00 (+0) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund gets freed by Jon snow?

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Unfortunately the points are just for taking someone else prisoner - no points for getting freed. -nyan

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2015 May 26
Couldn't this count as Tormund becoming Jon's "follower". Did Jon ever get Political points for getting Tormund to agree to this expedition. Or maybe Tormund should get points for Jon agreeing to come with him. -moonbaseu92

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2015 May 27
This was brought up when they originally proposed the expedition - it seems that this is a team effort and that neither is subservient/following the other. S05E05 Tormund: "They won't kneel for you and neither will I." -nyan

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2015 May 27

10:01 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

After promising to help Sansa Stark light a signal candle at the top of the broken tower, Reek instead goes directly to Ramsay Bolton to inform him of Sansa's plot. (Politics - uncategorized)

submitted by wpearsal (approved!)

It seemed like Ramsay was a little surprised when Theon showed up, and I had thought Theon just got busted and had to confess at that point. If Theon went straight to Ramsay with the intention of telling him about Sansa's plot though, I agree it would be a betrayal. I'll have to watch the scene again, but how did others interpret the scene? -nyan

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2015 May 26
Ramsay was not dining in the broken tower. They filmed it to make it appear as though Reek was going to the tower, but he wasn't. Nobody uses the tower. The top room is an attic-y thing, remember? That's where Bran caught Jaime and Cersei. So yeah, Reek deliberately betrayed Sansa. -alicehanners

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2015 May 27 moonbaseu92 likes this
Yeah @alicehanners and @wpearsal, you both are right. Totally misinterpreted the scene on my first watching. This will count as a betrayal. -nyan

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2015 May 27
Should he also get points for "betraying" the old lady? Although I'm not sure how he found out who the "friend" of Sansa was. Maybe credit to the show writers for that plot hole. -moonbaseu92

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2015 May 27
The old lady never trusted Reek, so it wouldn't count as a betrayal for her. -nyan

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2015 May 27

Episode 8: Hardhome

0:00 (+0) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow rallies the Night's Watch/Wildlings and is able to hold the line against the Undead long enough to evacuate a portion of the Hardhome Refugees, denying them to the White Walkers.

submitted by moonbaseu92 (rejected)

14:06 (+3) Grand Maester Pycelle:

In Cersei Lannister's absence, Pycelle takes control of the Small Council to appoint Kevan Lannister as Hand of the King. (Politics - uncategorized)

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Executive decision? It could possibly fit, as long as someone opposed it (does Cersei?). Originally she did want to offer him the same role, however. -nyan

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2015 Jun 2
She wanted him to be "Master of War", she specifically didn't want him to be Hand as she wanted to retain her position. -moonbaseu92

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Ooh, good point, I got them confused. Sounds like an overrule to me, I'll add this. -nyan

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2015 Jun 2

Episode 9: The Dance of Dragons

0:00 (+0) Daenerys Targaryen:

Drogon returns to Daenerys to rescue her, and she is able to ride Drogon as he flies away

submitted by angurtheconsumer (rejected: never quite abandoned Daenerys)

Episode 10: Mother's Mercy

28:42 (+3) Myrcella Baratheon:

Myrcella figures out the secret of her parentage before Jaime can tell her. "I know... about you and mother. I think a part of me always knew. And I'm glad. I'm glad that you're my father." (Politics - uncategorized)

submitted by coconnor723 (approved!)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

Episode 1: The Wars to Come

0:00 (+0) Stannis Baratheon:

Stannis Baratheon threatens to burn Mance Raydar if he does not swear fealty to him

submitted by Reaper (rejected)

27:18 (+3) Brienne of Tarth:

to Podrick: "I don't care. I'm not your mother." (Witty Insult)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

Episode 2: The House of Black and White

0:00 (+0) Petyr Baelish (Littlefinger):

Petyr: This woman swore to protect Renly, she failed. She swore to protect your mother, she failed. Why would I want somebody with your history of failure guarding Lady Sansa?

submitted by alicehanners (rejected: duplicate submission)

10:16 (+3) Petyr Baelish (Littlefinger):

to Brienne: "This woman swore to protect Renly, she failed. She swore to protect your mother, she failed. Why would I want somebody with your history of failure guarding Lady Sansa?" (Witty Insult)

submitted by moonbaseu92 (approved!)

16:01 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Jaime: "I'm going to make this better.
Cersei: "You've never made anything better." (Witty Insult)

submitted by kas113 (approved!)

20:58 (+3) Doran Martell:

Doran delivers a stern rebuke to the decision-making ability of Ellaria and his hot-headed subjects.
Doran: "You would have me go to war?"
Ellaria: "The whole country would have you go to war."
Doran: "Then we are lucky the whole country does not decide." (Witty Insult)

submitted by moonbaseu92 (approved!)

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

0:00 (+0) Sansa Stark:

Sansa, of Roose Bolton: "He's a traitor. A murderer."

submitted by alicehanners (rejected)

0:00 (+0) Arya Stark:

Arya: (threatening) "Do that again and...." & "You're about to find out."

submitted by alicehanners (rejected)

0:00 (+0) Arya Stark:

Arya quips "I didn't come here to sweep floors" when speaking to Jaqen H'ghar.

submitted by meghan.coulbourne (rejected: not quite funny enough)

No Brainer. -dneanover

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2015 Apr 29
This was a line said with Arya's natural stubbornness - but was it an insult? Or threatening? I thought it was simply a complaint, but we have +2 on it so far so I'd like to hear more thoughts. -nyan

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2015 Apr 29
I would say it's a "Funny" line not an insult. If we start putting Insults/Funny Lines into tiers I would say it would be a Low tier Line (2 points instead of 3) -moonbaseu92

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2015 Apr 29
This should solidify better once the voting system is up. In my mind, I'd rather exclude the low-tier funny lines and have characters really earn it with regard to quality. -nyan

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2015 May 4

0:00 (+0) Petyr Baelish (Littlefinger):

Insulting Cersei: "Cersei is Queen Mother, a title whose importance wanes with each passing day. "

Insulting Tommen: "Tommen is a soft boy, not a king to fear."

submitted by alicehanners (rejected)

0:00 (+0) High Sparrow:

High Sparrow: "Hypocrisy is a boil. Lancing a boil is never pleasant ... Although they could have been more careful with the blade."

submitted by Reaper (rejected)

9:33 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei with a jab to Margaery while talking to Tommen: "She's certainly very pretty, isn't she? Like a doll. She smiles quite a lot. Do you think she's intelligent? I can't quite tell, not that it matters." (Witty Insult)

submitted by wpearsal (approved!)

22:51 (+3) Brienne of Tarth:

Pod asks about Renly's rumored sexuality.
Pod: "But...wasn't he ... Lord Tyrion said he was..."
Brienne: "Yes, Pod, he liked men. I'm not an idiot." (Funny Line)

submitted by alicehanners (approved!)

25:02 (+3) Stannis Baratheon:

Stannis: "You're as stubborn as your father. And as honorable."
Jon Snow: "I can imagine no higher praise"
Stannis: "I didn't mean it as praise. Honor got your father killed." (Witty Insult)

submitted by Reaper (approved!)

7 more comments - see full thread

Wait, did you really get 2 x 3 points for the same thing? -pretty_mvtherfvcker

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2015 Apr 29
This was my initial thought as well, @pretty_mvutherfvcker. You could read it as Stannis calling Jon stupid, because honor is a stupid trait that will get him killed. Also a correction on Jon's naivety in assuming that honor was always a good trait. We could go back to rejecting this one if enough people disagree. -nyan

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2015 Apr 29
the line fits two categories special/insult :) -Reaper

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2015 Apr 29 moonbaseu92 likes this

26:24 (+3) Stannis Baratheon:

Jon Snow: "I heard it was best to keep your enemies close."
Stannis: "Whoever said that didn't have many enemies." (Funny Line)

submitted by Reaper (approved!)

28:53 (+3) Arya Stark:

Arya: "Cunt!" (Funny Line)

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I didn't pick up on this one personally, but a few other people have mentioned it - was it the way she said it? I'll go with the popular demand if this gets a lot of likes/supporting comments. -nyan

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2015 Apr 28
I think this should definitely count. Right or wrong I think this got one of the biggest laughs among our league. -moonbaseu92

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2015 Apr 28
Got some good laughs from my league aswell. -timguttman

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2015 Apr 28
By overwhelming popular demand - approved! -nyan

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2015 Apr 29 meghan.coulbourne likes this

43:11 (+3) Qyburn:

to High Septon: "So you were ministering to the needs of these... devout prostitutes." (Funny Line)

submitted by wpearsal (approved!)

54:54 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Brothel bouncer: "It's good luck to rub a dwarf's head."
Tyrion: "It's even better luck to suck a dwarf's cock."
*flustered Varys* (Funny Line)

submitted by wpearsal (approved!)

Episode 4: The Sons of the Harpy

0:00 (+0) Jaime Lannister:

submitted by wpearsal (rejected)

It's a threat, but not very creatively said (imo). It's a delicate line to straddle, but at the end of the day I want the quality of the category to be "wow, that was a good line", and not just "okay that technically qualifies as a threat". -nyan

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2015 May 7
So maybe it's a low-effort threat that only awards +1 or +2 points, but it fits the criteria doesn't it? It doesn't really seem like an edge case at all. -moonbaseu92

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2015 May 7
So the rule is stated like this: "Witty insults, intimidating threats, serious burns, or just funny comments". Many lines are insults or threats in a literal sense, but the original idea for the category required a level of quality. For example, "You're an alcoholic." is clearly an insult but has no creativity/wit to it, but "I'm sorry we don't have any wine, it's a bit early in the morning for us" is both an insult and a great line. Having an event log full of literal "You're an alcoholic", "I'm going to kill you", etc lines would not be fun to read through (and not fun to watch the show in anticipation of), and dilutes the value of the other, actually good lines available. -nyan

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2015 May 7

0:00 (+0) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime: "I thought the sharks would get us."

Dornish soldier: "There are no sharks in Dorne."

Jaime: "I could have sworn those were shark fins."

submitted by alicehanners (rejected)

0:00 (+0) Bronn:

Jaime "And we're gonna do a lot of fighting, I am sure."
Bronn "Well, I am. But I don't imagine we'll get to stick around for the rest."

submitted by wpearsal (rejected)

It's actually Bronn that says the first line, so it doesn't quite qualify as a comeback. -nyan

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2015 May 7
It doesn't have to be a comeback does it? It's "funny" -moonbaseu92

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2015 May 7
I watched the scene again - it reads very funny if it's imagined as Bronn's comeback to Jaime. But since it all flows from Bronn, it doesn't feel like there's much humor in the scene. -nyan

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2015 May 7

0:00 (+0) Margaery Tyrell:

She has the Comeback after Tommen says "I'm going to see the High Sparrow" she quips something to the extent of 'Do you have an appointment.' This was a comeback that effectively put Tommen in his place.

submitted by dneanover (rejected)

Great catch @dneanover! I'll add this one. -nyan

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2015 May 5 dneanover likes this
Tommen: "I'm going to speak to the High Sparrow."
Margaery: "Are you? When?" -alicehanners

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2015 May 7 dneanover likes this
Hmmm... on rewatch @alicehanners has the correct transcript and it's much less of an interesting comeback the way that's worded. Too bad they didn't have you onboard as a writer @dneanover, that's a great line!

I'm not sure the actual wording is much of a comeback. -nyan

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7:11 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

After Cersei sends Lord Mace Tyrell away to Braavos to negotiate with the Iron Bank:
Grand Maester Pycelle "The small council getting smaller and smaller..."
Cersei "Not small enough." (Threat)

submitted by wpearsal (approved!)

39:49 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Tyrion: "I can't sleep without wine."
Jorah: "Then stay awake." (Funny Line)

submitted by wpearsal (approved!)

Episode 5: Kill the Boy

0:00 (+0) Sansa Stark:

Myranda: "It's good that she taught you. It was a gift. Now every time you wear something you made, you can remember her."
Sansa: "I'd rather have a mother."

submitted by alicehanners (rejected)

19:16 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Miranda: "Do you think she's pretty?"
Ramsay: "Of course I do. I'm not blind. " (Funny Line)

submitted by moonbaseu92 (approved!)

Episode 6: Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

25:16 (+3) Petyr Baelish (Littlefinger):

Cersei: "I'm the insulted party, Lord Baelish. Ser Loras was promised to me, instead he chose the company of boys."
Petyr: "One's choice of companion is a most curious thing." (Witty Insult)

submitted by nyan (rejected: duplicate)

Episode 7: The Gift

0:00 (+0) Myrcella Baratheon:

Myrcella Baratheon to Jamie: "You DON'T know me!"

submitted by moonbaseu92 (rejected)

24:11 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Sam boasts about his command of the situation after he'd been beaten senseless by Brant and Derek of the Night's Watch.
Gilly: "I know they would've killed you if Ghost hadn't come."
Sam: "No no no, they were tiring out. I had them in the palm of my hand" (Funny Line)

submitted by wpearsal (approved!)

25:31 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

during his first sexual experience with Gilly: "Oh... oh... oh my..." (Funny Line)

submitted by wpearsal (approved!)

40:02 (+3) Bronn:

Bronn gives a rendition of "The Dornishman's Wife" as he is locked in a cell opposite from the Sand Snakes'. (Funny Line)

submitted by mmccor4140 (approved!)

53:34 (+3) Margaery Tyrell:

to Cersei in the dungeons: "Get out you hateful bitch!" (Threat)

submitted by alicehanners (approved!)

Episode 8: Hardhome

44:38 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow shows off his British by asking the Wildlings to calmly form a queue as they flee from the horde of killer wight zombies.
"Wait! Wait in line! Get in line! GET IN LINE!!" (Funny Line)

submitted by nyan (rejected)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

Episode 4: The Sons of the Harpy

0:00 (+0) Cersei Lannister:

So I don't think that she took a sip from her glasses, but she was in multiple scenes with different glasses of wine throughout the episode. Seems like this should count, right?

submitted by wpearsal (rejected: no visible sip)

Episode 7: The Gift

44:18 (+5) Bronn:

Bronn drinks the vial of antidote from Tyene. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

Episode 10: Mother's Mercy

30:30 (+5) Ellaria Sand:

Ellaria drinks the vial of antidote from Tyene. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

It seems clearly to be the same antidote that Bronn drank in E7. Open question as to whether that was alcoholic. -nyan

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2015 Jun 16
I don't think there will be a lot of feedback on this but I think it's inconsistent scoring. Jaqen's potion counts as alcohol. And this "clearly it's the same" is hard to be consistent with. -coconnor723

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2015 Jun 16
Also there is no nod to Tyene, she just takes the cloth from her. -coconnor723

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2015 Jun 16
Yeah, I missed that Jaqen's potion was the same bottle that he had given Arya. I think it should be scored the same as both of these, so I wouldn't take that as precedent. -nyan

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2015 Jun 16

Acts of Intercourse

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

0:00 (+0) High Septon of the Faith (S3):

Naked! When the Sparrows find him in the brothel.

submitted by megharr36 (rejected: butts counted for S5 currently, sorry =[)

57:54 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion exposes himself while taking a piss into the river in Volantis. (Non-sexual Nude Scene)

submitted by nyan (rejected: penis sighting was mistaken)

Episode 7: The Gift

30:04 (+5) Daenerys Targaryen:

As she and Daario Naharis have post-sex pillow talk, Daario rolls on top of her and mounts her again. (Act of Intercourse)

submitted by angurtheconsumer (approved!)

30:04 (+5) Daario Naharis :

As he and Daenerys have post-sex pillow talk, Daario rolls on top of her and mounts her again. (Act of Intercourse)

submitted by angurtheconsumer (approved!)

Kills Commanded (deprecated)

Episode 9: The Dance of Dragons

0:00 (+0) Stannis Baratheon:

"20 men rode into our camp without a single guard sounding the alarm. The northerners know more about their land than we ever will. Put last nights guards in chains. Either they fell asleep or conspired with the enemy. Find out the truth then hang them." I know he does not mention a specific number of guards but seems like he should get some points for killing them. We can assume since he said "guards" that there are at least two of them.

submitted by callmemb16 (rejected: decided on "requires evidence of the act" criteria)

Deaths

Episode 4: The Sons of the Harpy

0:00 (+5) Barristan Selmy:

Barristan dies at the end of the fight with the Sons of the Harpy. (Death)

submitted by nyan (rejected)

Pre-empting the speculation on this one - while Barristan is definitely injured, he may still survive. Death points (if any) will be counted in the episode where death is confirmed. -nyan

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2015 May 5 dneanover likes this
His status is all but confirmed in the preview for the next episode. (Not saying which way) -moonbaseu92

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2015 May 5
Thanks @moonbaseu92, and really appreciate the spoiler consideration on this one. While the previews may give a hint, I don't think they're authoritative - e.g. if there's a scene showing Barristan's funeral, it may come from later in the episode and Barristan actually gets an opening scene with a few last words to Daenerys before dying. Also since some viewers don't watch them, it would introduce some spoilers to include information from the previews in the scoring. -nyan

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2015 May 5

Episode 10: Mother's Mercy

16:11 (+5) Stannis Baratheon:

After being wounded and broken on the battlefield in the woods of Winterfell, Stannis is executed by Brienne of Tarth as vengeance for his murder of Renly Baratheon. (Death)

submitted by nyan (rejected: duplicate)

16:11 (+5) Stannis Baratheon:

The strong implication is that he was, in fact killed at the hands of Brienne of Tarth. I realize it wasn't technically on-screen and could be considered to be ambiguous, but we never saw Syrio Forel's death or the Hound's death, but the understanding is that they are dead as well. And if at the start of the next season, it turns out that he did, in fact, die, it'll be a little late to go back and add the points. Would the points be given to whoever has him at the beginning of next season, then? (Death)

submitted by cfitzgerald (approved!)

The precedents for kills and deaths has been to count them in the episode where it was confirmed - Barristan Selmy was treated that way (scored when we actually saw him lying on the table in the next episode), and neither Syrio Forel nor the Hound are actually counted for death points yet. Davos in S2E9 closely paralleled this - received what was possibly a fatal blow, wasn't heard from the rest of the season, then showed up fine in S3E1.

Normally the cliffhangers are between episodes and it's not as big of a deal, since the points are still counted eventually. In this case, teams that drafted Stannis would miss out on the points entirely (if he's actually dead), which is unfortunate. But the false positive is a much bigger problem: if we count a death in S5, then in S6E1 we find out the character is still alive, the S5 results are unequivocally wrong, and we may find ourselves revising scores and winners 9 months later. Counting the death for S6E1 is at least consistent to a rule that we'll count the deaths when we see a body. -nyan

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2015 Jun 16
That all said, the event suggestion is listed here because there's a very believable argument that Stannis is actually dead-dead. If everyone else is equally certain here, I'll go ahead and add this (and Brienne's kill points) in. -nyan

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2015 Jun 16
I think it's ambiguous whether he's dead-dead and whether Brienne had a last minute change of heart when she was reminded of her duty to rescue Sansa (as opposed to exacting vengeance for the death of Renly). -elaine

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2015 Jun 16
The official Game of Thrones viewer guide says Brienne killed Stannis -cfitzgerald

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2015 Jun 18
Repeating comment here: the pure scorekeeper in me doesn't like this as much either, but I'll end up recording the Kill and Death points based on it being highly likely that it happened. Pragmatically there is more riding on this death than Barristan's, because his potential death would just be recorded in the subsequent episode, which isn't a possibility here. Ultimately I think more players will be happier with the points recorded.

I'll make this an official "last episode of season" exception in the Rulebook, where the kill/death standard can be lowered from "confirmed" to simply "highly likely". -nyan

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2015 Jun 30

Special

Episode 2: The House of Black and White

0:00 (+0) Barristan Selmy:

Barristan to Danny: the Mad King gave his enemies the justice he thought they deserved.
And each time, it made him feel powerful and right until the very end.
*Although Barristan was talking about the Son of Harpy Danny still goes against the basic lesson of this advice when she executes Mossador, it felt like justice to Danny but it doesn't mean it was the right thing to do.

submitted by moonbaseu92 (rejected: trial was given - Mossador just pled guilty)

I don't think Barristan had a problem with Mossador's execution actually - he stands by in both her throne room and at the public gathering without saying anything. Unlike the Son of the Harpy, Mossador admitted to the crime and was unrepentant - he effectively pleaded guilty during his trial. -nyan

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2015 Apr 28
I don't think he had a problem with it either, but what she did still goes against the "advice" she was given earlier. I understand this isn't a very clear case. I think more scoring events are almost always better, especially for these 1 point specials that don't happen very often. I don't even have Barristan in my league. -moonbaseu92

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2015 Apr 28
I don't think he had a problem with it either, but what she did still goes against the "advice" she was given earlier. I understand this isn't a very clear case. I think more scoring events are almost always better, especially for these 1 point specials that don't happen very often. I don't even have Barristan in my league. -moonbaseu92

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2015 Apr 28
I think the advice was, "Give people a fair trial before punishing them." Mossador got his trial (appeared in front of Daenerys to explain himself), and he plead guilty to the crime during it. It's not too different from a modern criminal case if the defendant pleads guilty - they'll just move straight to sentencing without having to dig through all the evidence of a full trial. -nyan

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2015 Apr 28

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

0:00 (+0) Brienne of Tarth:

Surely the long monologue referencing dozens of boys referring to her looks counts for her special? It does say "someone," which includes Brienne, and she calls herself the ugliest girl alive, but regardless considering she specifically mentions being nicknamed "Brienne the Beauty".

submitted by alicehanners (rejected: self-references don't count for specials)

0:00 (+0) Brienne of Tarth:

+1 point every time someone references her size/masculinity/attractiveness.
Brienne tells Pod about the ball her father threw her where the boys made fun of her attractiveness. She also puts down her own attractiveness.

submitted by megharr36 (rejected: duplicate)

0:00 (+0) Melisandre:

The Red Priestess in Volantis says "The night is dark and full of terrors".

submitted by wpearsal (rejected)

0:00 (+0) High Septon of the Faith (S3):

The High Septon of the Faith officiated the wedding of Tommen and Margaery at the beginning of the episode.

submitted by meghan.coulbourne (rejected: fixed the existing event)

25:02 (+3) Stannis Baratheon:

Stannis corrects Jon Snow
Stannis: "You're as stubborn as your father. And as honorable."
Jon Snow: "I can imagine no higher praise"
Stannis: "I didn't mean it as praise. Honor got your father killed." (Special)

submitted by Reaper (approved!)

40:44 (+3) High Septon of the Faith (S3):

The High Septon tends to the needs of devout prostitutes in Littlefinger's brothel, in an elaborate ceremony of the Seven. (Special)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

Episode 4: The Sons of the Harpy

0:00 (+0) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime: "We're not kidnapping their princess. We're rescuing my niece, bringing her back to her family."
Bronn: "Your niece?"

Bronn hints at Jamie + Cersei's Incest to his face.

submitted by moonbaseu92 (rejected: duplicate)

0:00 (+0) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow was called a Bastard when Stannis and Lady Selyse were talking about him in Castle Black... I think

submitted by jason.nadel (rejected: not said to Jon directly)

I need to do some clarification on the Special text across the board - they generally apply only when said to the characters directly (same with Loras and Varys specials). -nyan

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2015 May 5
Just a suggestion for special scoring in general, but wouldn't it be easier to count and keep track if they are just counted anytime they are said rather than directly to the person? Might eliminate some debates and it's more scoring for everyone. Just a thought. Seems like we have lots of debates about specials. -wpearsal

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2015 May 6
I think "xxx mentioned to their face" is easily determined, but I do need to work on making this much more explicit in the rules (and probably the special text itself). -nyan

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2015 May 6 dneanover likes this

Episode 6: Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

0:00 (+0) Sansa Stark:

SANSA CRIES (during her rape scene with Ramsey) D,: D,: D,:

submitted by coconnor723 (rejected: no tears)

0:00 (+0) Doran Martell:

When will the players with "[Special to be determined after character appears]" be given specials? The Sands and Doran should have specials since they are key characters this far in to the story.

submitted by dneanover (rejected)

Episode 7: The Gift

0:00 (+0) Sansa Stark:

Sansa is crying on her bed when Theon enters her room to bring her food.

submitted by wpearsal (rejected)

I did take a look at this initially, but similar to the previous episode - she's sad but no actual tears during this scene (she does cry later for the flayed old woman though). -nyan

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2015 May 26
She has visible tears on her face when she asks him to promise her. -alicehanners

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2015 May 27 moonbaseu92 and callmemb16 like this
Here's are two screencaps from the moment after she asks Theon to promise her (brightened up for clarity). There is some moisture at the bottom of the eye, but nothing that breaks the surface onto her face: http://i.imgur.com/ZObUFtz.jpg http://i.imgur.com/0HlI6B9.jpg -nyan

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Episode 10: Mother's Mercy

0:00 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

The High Septon confronts Cersei with the charges of her incest: "There are those that say your children were not fathered by King Robert, that they are bastards born of incest and adultery." (Special)

submitted by wpearsal (approved!)

31:50 (+3) Missandei:

Missandei's line in Valyrian: "It's true. And I would be dead if not for the... little man." (Special)

submitted by coconnor723 (approved!)

49:25 (+15) Cersei Lannister:

Members of the crowd insult Cersei with references of her incest, as she performs her walk of atonement through the streets of King's Landing.
49:25: A man yells: "Bitch! Brother fucker!"
49:48: Indistinctly from the crowd: "Brother fucker!"
50:10: A man exposes himself and exclaims: "I'm a Lannister. Suck me off!"
50:51: A women yells on the stairs before being bludgeoned by a Sparrow: "Brother fucker!"
52:07: A man yells just before Cersei reaches the Red Keep's gates: "Brother fucker!" (Special)

submitted by coconnor723 (approved!)

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