My snow and starks

6-3-1, 51.5 roto pts (#7)
Z-Score: 0.197 (percentile: 57.81%)
Weeks at #1: 2
Categories won: Insults Delivered / Funny Lines (72), Glasses of Wine Consumed (50)
Best Week: Episode 4: Book of the Stranger (+5.5 roto points)
Team MVP: Tyrion Lannister (picked #4, 106 points, 37.59% of team total)
Longest winstreak: W-4

Roster Stats

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Sex	Deaths	Special
Tyrion Lannister The third, stunted dwarf of the Lannister children - a fugitive from Westeros after losing his trial for the murder of King Joffrey, he has escaped and found service as an advisor to Daenerys Targaryen.	#4	106	0	12	51	40	0	0	3
Grey Worm The leader of the Unsullied - a highly-trained army of freed slaves who serve Daenerys Targaryen.	#17	67	20	3	3	5	0	0	36
Varys Formerly the Master of Whisperers in King's Landing, Varys controls a vast network of spies. After smuggling Tyrion Lannister to Essos, he reveals himself as a supporter of Daenerys Targaryen's claim to the Iron Throne. In Daenerys' absence, he serves with Tyrion Lannister and presides over the rule of Meereen.	#24	36	0	9	12	0	0	0	15
Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	#44	28	0	0	0	0	0	28	0
Osha A wildling woman who serves the Starks. She splits off from Bran's group and travels with Rickon.	#64	24	0	0	3	0	5	16	0
Thoros of Myr A Red Priest from the city of Myr - he is a member of the Brotherhood Without Banners, led by Beric Dondarrion.	#57	8	0	0	3	5	0	0	0
Podrick Payne A squire in the service of Brienne of Tarth. He previously served as Tyrion Lannister's squire.	#37	8	2	0	0	0	0	0	6
Beric Dondarrion Lord of Blackhaven, bannermen to House Baratheon. He now leads the Brotherhood Without Banners, an outlaw fighting group in the Riverlands.	#84	5	2	3	0	0	0	0	0
Karsi A Wildling chieftain who was killed in the Battle of Hardhome. She appears to have been re-animated as a wight.	#97	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Gendry A bastard son of Robert Baratheon, although this fact is not widely known (even to Gendry himself). After being captured by Melisandre, he is freed by Ser Davos and escaped Dragonstone by rowboat. His whereabouts are currently unknown.	#77	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		282	24	27	72	50	5	44	60

Roster

charId	Character	Special
17	Tyrion Lannister The third, stunted dwarf of the Lannister children - a fugitive from Westeros after losing his trial for the murder of King Joffrey, he has escaped and found service as an advisor to Daenerys Targaryen.	* +1 point each time he is denied a drink * +1 point whenever he physically gives someone a coin (or other legal tender)
38	Grey Worm The leader of the Unsullied - a highly-trained army of freed slaves who serve Daenerys Targaryen.	* +1 for every 3-syllable word uttered in the Common Tongue (Westerosi English), not counting proper nouns (Daenerys, Unsullied, etc.) * Receives standard sex points for making it to first base
82	Varys Formerly the Master of Whisperers in King's Landing, Varys controls a vast network of spies. After smuggling Tyrion Lannister to Essos, he reveals himself as a supporter of Daenerys Targaryen's claim to the Iron Throne. In Daenerys' absence, he serves with Tyrion Lannister and presides over the rule of Meereen.	* +1 politics point when he meets another character in secret * +1 point when someone references his being a eunuch to him * +1 point when he passes along information from his "little birds"
27	Podrick Payne A squire in the service of Brienne of Tarth. He previously served as Tyrion Lannister's squire.	+1 point for failed attempts at basic tasks. +1 point for surprising people with how good he is at a task
8	Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	+1 point for every scene where he has a speaking line Shaggydog's actions contribute to his points.
102	Thoros of Myr A Red Priest from the city of Myr - he is a member of the Brotherhood Without Banners, led by Beric Dondarrion.	+1 point every time he revives someone. +1 when shown igniting his flaming sword
11	Osha A wildling woman who serves the Starks. She splits off from Bran's group and travels with Rickon.
80	Gendry A bastard son of Robert Baratheon, although this fact is not widely known (even to Gendry himself). After being captured by Melisandre, he is freed by Ser Davos and escaped Dragonstone by rowboat. His whereabouts are currently unknown.	+1 point for each act of blacksmithing.
101	Beric Dondarrion Lord of Blackhaven, bannermen to House Baratheon. He now leads the Brotherhood Without Banners, an outlaw fighting group in the Riverlands.	Can receive points multiple times in the Death category +1 when shown igniting the flaming sword
209	Karsi A Wildling chieftain who was killed in the Battle of Hardhome. She appears to have been re-animated as a wight.

Kills

Episode 1: The Red Woman

16:42 (+2) Podrick Payne:

Podrick stabs a Bolton soldier through the chest as he and Brienne charge in to rescue Sansa Stark. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Episode 8: No One

46:31 (+2) Beric Dondarrion:

Beric kicks over the third tree stump, strangling the last of the bandits on a noose. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

10:23 (+10) Grey Worm :

Grey Worm swiftly slashes the throat of the slave master Razdal mo Eraz, after he offers up the the slaver Yezzzan zo Qaggaz to die as part of the terms of surrender to Daenerys. (Kill of Named Character)

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I don't see this as skill from Grey Worm. 1) The soldiers are fleeing because they're clearly outmatched by dragons and approaching Dothraki, this effectively makes the Masters prisoners of war. 2) Grey Worm is the best of the Unsullied (why he was named Captain) so a throat slash is not a feat for him, it's as mindless as a chef chopping carrots. I think he should split the total points with Dany because he sort of went against her orders by killing 2 instead of 1, but also fulfilled her order at the same time. So she should get points for 1 commanded kill and he should get points for a single kill. Since one is named and one is not, and Dany didn't name someone to kill, give her the unnamed kill and Grey Worm the named kill. -mg.flanigan11

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2016 Jun 22
We didn't even hear Dany order the kill(s), right? -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 22
We heard by proxy in situ that one was ordered, but that could easily have been a ruse (there could have been orders to kill all but the one singled out by the other two to kill, for example). But either way, they were not restrained or set up on a scaffold or anything; it's pretty clear that Grey Worm's slash was meant to catch them off-guard. Which takes skill. Points therefore for the Worm even if the kills were both ordered explicitly, in my opinion. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 22 becharafayad1997 likes this

10:23 (+10) Grey Worm :

Grey Worm slashes the throat of Belicho Paenymion, the slave master from Volantis, after he and Razdal mo Eraz offer up the slave trader Yezzzan zo Qaggaz as a sacrifice for Daenerys' terms of surrender. (Kill of Named Character)

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Yes, if you think they're the same then there's not much of an argument for not counting "Belicho" as a named kill. We should try for some community consensus, since there's unfortunately no specific criteria for when we upgrade these characters to named status.

Hightower was a little more like White Walkers in that he proved to be a worthy "boss fight" adversary, while Forzo and "Belicho" would mostly be based on their dialogue/screentime being prominent enough. Another example could be the drunkard whose face was smashed in by the Mountain - he had a whole scene of just his dialogue, but was counted as an unnamed character.

It's also an option to revert the "named character" status from Forzo and/or Hightower as well. -nyan

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2016 Jun 21 dopeghoti likes this
I honestly didn't know the guys name who we are arguing about. But he was prominent enough to be at the parlay between dany and the masters, and at the parlay with tyrion so i would deem him a prominent character just like hightower, since i also didnt know his name. -cmwalken15

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2016 Jun 21 taylorreneegoodrich, Ser Vincent, goodjujumagic, dibiasio84, 2 others like this
To me he falls under the "boss character" definition. He's not just a random footsoldier, he's the representative from Volantis. Even if he isn't given a name, I think his status and role qualify him to be a "named kill." -alexanderdropkin

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Political Wins

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

22:25 (+3) Varys:

Varys' investigations have exposed Vala, the Meereenese prostitute who lured the Unsullied to her brothel so that the Sons of the Harpy could murder them.
"I know who you are and what you've done. You've done a lot. You've sacrificed your body for a cause, which is more than most people do. And you've helped the Sons of the Harpy murder the Unsullied and the Second Sons." (Secret Discovery)

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27:55 (+3) Varys:

Varys has discovered the source of the rebellion's funding after coercing the prostitute Vala.
"Sorry.. I was busy, learning who funds the Sons of the Harpy. Some things you can't rush... The Good Masters of Astapor, and the Wise Masters of Yunkai, with help from their friends in Volantis." (Secret Discovery)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

15:01 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion overrules Missandei and Grey Worm, offering terms of compromise to the Slave Masters of Yunkai and Astapor.

"Slavery will never return to Meereen, but she will give the other cities of Slaver's Bay time to adjust to the new order. ... Instead of abolishing slavery overnight, we will give you seven years to end the practice. Slaveholders will be compensated for their losses... in exchange, you will cut off your support for the Sons of the Harpy." (Executive Decision)

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Episode 5: The Door

30:08 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Confirmation that the slave Masters agreed to Tyrion's slavery phase-out proposal.
Varys: "In the last fortnight since our pact with the Masters..." (Convincing Argument)

Episode 8: No One

44:37 (+3) Beric Dondarrion:

Beric has captured Lem Lemoncloak, who was falsely leading a band of outlaws in the name of the Brotherhood without Banners. (New Follower/Prisoner)

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

3:23 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion convinces Daenerys to go with a less bloodthirsty response to the slavers attacking Meereen.

Daenerys: "I will crucify the Masters. I will set their fleets afire, kill every last one of their soldiers, and return their cities to the dirt. That is my plan. You don't approve?"
Tyrion: "You once told me you knew what your father was. Did you know his plans for King's Landing when the Lannister armies were at his gates? ... He had caches of wildfire hidden under the Red Keep, the Guildhalls, the Sept of Baelor, all the major thoroughfares. He would have burned every one of his citizens. The loyal ones and the traitors. Every man, woman, and child..."
Daenerys: "This is entirely different."
Tyrion: "You're talking about destroying cities. It's not entirely different. I'd like to suggest an alternate approach." (Convincing Argument)

9:12 (+3) Grey Worm :

After Daenerys' awe-inspiring display of burnination, Grey Worm convinces the slave masters' guards to abandon their post. "You men have a choice: fight and die for masters who would never fight and die for you, or go home to your families." They promptly drop their swords and flee. (Convincing Argument)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

47:04 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

"I had something made for you. I'm not sure if it's right... Tyrion Lannister, I name you Hand of the Queen." (New Title)

66:01 (+3) Varys:

Varys returns from his diplomatic mission to Dorne, apparently successful at recruiting House Tyrell and the Sand Snakes to support Daenerys and lend her use of their navies. (Convincing Argument)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

Episode 1: The Red Woman

29:17 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion with the completely uncalled-for burn on Varys.
Varys: "You walk as though the paving stones were your personal property. I used to steal from people like you when I was a boy."
Tyrion: "It's a good thing you're not a boy anymore. ... Because you have no cock." (Witty Insult)

29:48 (+3) Varys:

Tyrion to homeless mother: "For your baby. To eat." [makes stuffing motion into mouth]
Varys. "She thinks you want to eat her baby." (Funny Line)

Episode 2: Home

22:03 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion: "Dragons do not do well in captivity."
Missandei: "How do you know this?"
Tyrion: "That's what I do. I drink and I know things." (Funny Line)

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22:45 (+3) Varys:

Tyrion: "Dragons are intelligent ... They have affection for their friends and fury for their enemies. I am their friend."
Varys: "Do *they* know that?" (Funny Line)

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22:46 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

reasoning with Varys as he disapproves of Tyrion's alcoholism: "If I'd lost my cock, I'd drink all the time." (Funny Line)

22:46 (+3) Varys:

Varys shakes his head and tsks as Tyrion pours out a glass of wine during a meeting of the Meereenese advising council. (Funny Line)

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@Alice, what other funny faces do you think will need to be re-counted if this is enabled? And does the distinction that it comes with a line (even if it's just a small vocal tick from Varys) make it easier to enforce? -nyan

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2016 May 3
I only really want to rewatch both episodes for funny faces if you're seriously considering it, but I can think of several moments when people shrugged, raised their eyebrows, made a weird face, etc and it was funny but no words were spoken. -alicehanners

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2016 May 3
Adding it for now, but we'll see if it opens up a bad can of worms. The spirit of the category is to reward the really good moments written into the show that illicit a solid reaction from the viewer. Insults that make you go "ooh what a burn", threats that you make gulp in sympathy with the target, or funny lines that make you actually laugh. I don't doubt that we can find a handful of weird faces if we're looking really hard for them, but I don't think there are many that were good enough to spark an actual reaction from the audience, and this definitely seemed like one.

That said, everyone's laugh-meter is calibrated to a different level, so if facial expressions and small vocal ticks end up having a much higher variability of opinion vs the spoken lines, we'll revisit and maybe revoke this one. -nyan

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2016 May 4 michaelfield18 likes this

22:55 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

to Varys: "If I'd lost my cock, I'd drink all the time."
to Greyworm: "... meaning no offense. He makes dwarf jokes, I make eunuch jokes."
Varys: "I do NOT make dwarf jokes."
to Varys: "You think them." (gives Varys the eye) (Funny Line)

I thinks scoring all three of these as separate funny lines is a stretch. This comment alone isn't particularly funny, and it's more of a general exchange. I'll grant that maybe the two could be separate--one is the eunuch joke, the other is an exchange saving face in front of Grey Worm. -alicehanners

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2016 May 2 bookworm13457 and Twisted like this
I thinks scoring all three of these as separate funny lines is a stretch. This comment alone isn't particularly funny, and it's more of a general exchange. I'll grant that maybe the two could be separate--one is the eunuch joke, the other is an exchange saving face in front of Grey Worm. -alicehanners

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2016 May 2 moonbaseu92, coconnor723, Lem Lemoncake, jedjackoway like this
Totally agree with Alice here, does not meet the bar (especially for Tyrion). -coconnor723

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2016 May 2 bookworm13457 and Twisted like this
Yeah, Tyrion sometimes has these scenes that are just written as comic sequences. Combined with how fantastic Peter Dinklage is at delivering them, it almost makes it too easy for Tyrion. Will likely fold this 2nd and the 3rd event (http://fantasora.com/event/1985) together. -nyan

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26:17 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

to Daenerys' imprisoned dragons: "I'm friends with your mother. I'm here to help... Don't eat the help." (Funny Line)

28:30 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

to Varys: "Next time I have an idea like that... punch me in the face." (Funny Line)

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

22:02 (+3) Varys:

to Unsullied guards while fanning himself: "I don't know how you stand in all that leather." (Funny Line)

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26:31 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion: "A wise man once said, a true history of the world is a history of great conversations in elegant rooms."
Missandei: "Who said this?"
Tyrion: "Me. Just now."
*awkward long pause*
Tyrion: "... alright, no conversations." (Funny Line)

I don't think this was actually funny (it fell pretty flat to me) so I don't think Tyrion should receive any points for this! -Capnstoobie

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2016 May 9 danny136200 likes this
I disagree. It is the same level of humor as his other statements -skywalkerdude

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2016 May 10
Yeah, Tyrion hasn't been doing much else throughout the last season or any episode of this season than deliver semi-funny lines. Too bad his character has become somewhat one dimensional :/ -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 May 10 nyan likes this

27:27 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

to Greyworm and Missandei: "Alright no drinking, we can play without drinking. It's a wonderful game - I invented it. Here's how it works: I make a statement about your past; if I'm wrong, I drink. And if I'm right... maybe we can't play without drinking." (Funny Line)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

16:21 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

in Valyrian to the former slaves in the Meereenese court: "Large sorry... you wait so fat time." (Funny Line)

43:47 (+3) Osha:

Ramsay: "Do you know who I am?"
Osha: "A lord."
Ramsay: "Yes. A lord. You've seen my banners?"
Osha: "The flayed man."
Ramsay: "Does that worry you at all?"
Osha: "You eat them after?"
Ramsay: "No."
Osha: "Then I've seen worse." (Witty Insult)

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Episode 5: The Door

30:41 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

"The Sons of the Harpy have a good story: resist the foreign invaders. Our queen has an even better story. Mother of Dragons, Breaker of Chains, ...and all that." (Funny Line)

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31:47 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

to High Priestess Kinvara: "Thank you for travelling all this way. I know from personal experience how uncomfortable the journey can be. *looks at Varys*" (Funny Line)

Episode 8: No One

9:57 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Varys: "If you shaved your beard with a straight razor, you'd say the razor worked. That doesn't mean it won't cut your throat."
Tyrion: "Spoken like a man who has never had to shave." (Witty Insult)

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No, what Tyrion said was not a metaphor -alexanderdropkin

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2016 Jun 15
But it's also definitely isn't an insult. Why is pointing out that someone doesn't have to shave a witty insult? It seems neither witty nor insulting to me -cfitzgerald

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2016 Jun 15
It's basically another eunuch jab/reference, since you don't grow any hair if you're castrated before puberty. -nyan

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2016 Jun 15

26:24 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Missandei: "I have tried wine before. It made me feel funny."
Tyrion: "That's how you know it's working." (Funny Line)

29:10 (+3) Grey Worm :

Missandei: "Two translators are on a sinking ship. The first says, 'Do you know how to swim?' The second says, 'No, but I can shout for help in 19 languages.'"
Tyrion: *feigned laughter*
Grey Worm: "That is the worst joke I ever heard." (Funny Line)

45:00 (+3) Thoros of Myr:

Sandor Clegane: "They killed a friend of mine."
Thoros: "You've got friends?" (Witty Insult)

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

0:00 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion: "Everyone who makes a joke about a dwarf's height thinks he's the only person ever to make a joke about a dwarf's height. 'The height of nobility,' 'a man of your stature,' 'someone to look up to.' You're all making the same five or six jokes."
Theon: "It was a long time ago."
Tyrion: "It was. And how have things been going for you since then?" (Witty Insult)

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Did this happen btw? Wasn't it Tyrion who repeatedly insulted Theon for being a captive at Winterfell and so on, after Theon recommended a red-headed prostitute to Tyrion? -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 21 nyan likes this
Other explicit lines have already been submitted for this -becharafayad1997

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2016 Jun 21
What other lines? -tibbydoscott

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2016 Jun 21
This suggestion is for Tyrion's opening to Theon: "Everyone who makes a joke about a dwarf's height thinks he's the only person ever to make a joke about a dwarf's height. "The height of nobility," "a man of your stature," "someone to look up to." You're all making the same five or six jokes."
Theon: "It was a long time ago."
Tyrion: "It was. And how have things been going for you since then?" -nyan

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2016 Jun 22
Ok. I can see how this would be rolled into one overall insult to Theon for is arrogant ignorance of his own stupidity. But I still think it could two separate insults. -tibbydoscott

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2016 Jun 22

9:52 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Missandei: "Our Queen insists that one of you must die as punishment for your crimes."
Tyrion: "It always seems a bit abstract, doesn't it, other people dying?" (Witty Insult)

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26:44 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Theon Greyjoy: "I didn't murder the Stark boys. But I did things that were just as bad or worse."
Yara Greyjoy: "And he paid for them."
Tyrion: "Doesn't seem like it. He's still alive." (Witty Insult)

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How is this a threat? -alexanderdropkin

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2016 Jun 21 twalters and bookworm13457 like this
I agree. This definitely did not seem like it was meant to be a threat, nor did it seem to be taken as one -cfitzgerald

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2016 Jun 21 alicehanners likes this
Somewhere between threat and insult? The insinuation that whatever Theon claims to have suffered for his crimes, it's still trifling compared to the atrocities he committed. Possibly with a vague threat that Daenerys should really execute him instead. In any case, moving into the pending queue since there seems to be a fair amount of dispute on this. -nyan

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2016 Jun 21 emilien.raggi likes this
Yeah, I didn't parse this as a threat at all; more of an "if it were up to me", while acknowledging the fact that in the present situation, he would not be in his rights to summarily imprison Theon. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 21 Laxis likes this
More like funny
-becharafayad1997

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2016 Jun 21
Yeah, I'd go with "witty insult" for the category. This is a clever way of saying "you don't deserve to be alive". -jimwangerin

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27:09 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Daenerys: "...I expect you want me to support your claim to the throne of the Iron Islands?"
Theon: "Not my claim. Hers."
Daenerys: "And what's wrong with you?"
Theon: "I'm not fit to rule."
Tyrion: "We can agree upon that at least." (Witty Insult)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

Episode 2: Home

23:19 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks during the meeting of the Meereenese council. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

24:46 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion downs glass #2 as he devises a plan to get the dragons to eat during the Meereenese council meeting. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

26:06 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks while making smalltalk with Greyworm and Missandei before the Meereenese council meeting. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

27:08 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks from his refill as he, Grey Worm, and Missandei continue to wait for Varys at the Meereenese council meeting. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

13:28 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks wine at the beginning of the negotiations with the slave masters of Astapor and Yunkai. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 5: The Door

31:13 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks while discussing a PR strategy for the brokered peace agreement during the Meerenese council meeting. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 8: No One

25:41 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks in the Meereenese council room. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

26:51 (+5) Grey Worm :

Grey Worm drinks his first cup of wine. Tyrion: "Here's to our Queen. Anyone not drinking is disrespecting our Queen." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

27:23 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion refills and drinks while fantasizing about retirement as a winemaker. "One day, after our Queen has taken the Seven Kingdoms, I'd like to have my own vineyard. Make my own wine. The Imp's Delight. Only my close friends could drink it." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

47:02 (+5) Thoros of Myr:

Thoros drinks from his wineskin as he walks towards the campfire. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

45:54 (+5) Osha:

Osha gets her hands in Ramsay's pants. "Same thing men always want. And when they really want it, they give it a bath first." (Act of Intercourse)

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We saw that Osha got farther than the slavers, comparing it to other events in this episode, at least. -cjcookart

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2016 May 17
@taylor Theon's torture scene is another good example. We actually never did a rewatch for S3 so it hasn't been scored, but it has similarities to this one, though it ends up a good deal more sexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZLQxu9aHdc

The game and scoring should continue evolving better definitions, so don't automatically take the S2 points as evidence that this should also count for sex. Instead I would use it as a thought experiment - the two situations are very similar, so whichever way I feel about scoring one, should probably apply to the other. If I feel that they should be scored differently, what is the criteria that differentiates them?

I would also say that, while the on-screen intimacy shown here definitely feels more "deserving" than the Slavers' scene, the game still works as long as the rules are clear and consistent, e.g. if we decide on "full penetration" or "skin-on-skin contact of reproductive organs" as criteria. It can end up excluding a few worthy events, but also adds an extra element of detail to be on the lookout for. The intricacies of wine drinking and the refill mechanics are my personal favorite examples of precise scorekeeping that makes for a more fun fantasy-watching experience, compared to a more common-sense approach that eyeballs how many drinks were consumed. -nyan

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2016 May 17 cjcookart likes this
We'll go with "direct contact with reproductive organs", which this will count for. This verbage has been added to the rulebook. -nyan

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Deaths

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

46:00 (+10) Rickon Stark:

Smalljon Umber brings Ramsay the severed head of Rickon Stark's direwolf, Shaggydog, to prove his prisoner's identity. (Death)

Does Rickon get +1 point per episode for dead Shaggydog going forward? I'm not sure how this works -apayne270

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2016 May 9 dopeghoti, julian.aronowitz, jedjackoway like this
Yes, Shaggydog gets scored just like regular characters except his points are given to Rickon. So if Rickon dies next episode, he'll be in a unique position to be receiving +2 post-episode death points thereafter. -nyan

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2016 May 9 apayne270 likes this
I'm not convinced this is actually Shaggydog. What if it turns out to be another direwolf later? -nsimmonds

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2016 May 9 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°), Lem Lemoncake, nyan like this
@nsimmonds this is my hunch as well... I'm expecting to have a big debate over this if it comes to pass, and unfortunately we don't have good precedents for what too do about it. There was a switcheroo for Theon's kill of the farmboys in S2, but that was during a rewatch so we knew it happened, and didn't grant the scores accordingly. -nyan

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2016 May 9
It makes no sense to fake Shaggydog but deliver the real Rickon. The only reason to fake Shaggydog would be if the whole thing is a ruse...if you're only going to fake half, clearly you fake Rickon and keep the real maybe-last-surviving-Stark safe. -jedjackoway

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2016 May 9 bookworm13457 likes this
Pretty much we have to count the points here, the severed head is about as confirmed dead as you can get (else we second-guess every death on the show). The two options I can think of are:

1. Retroactively remove the points if the ruse is revealed later. Potentially upsets expectations if it changes scoring/wins from a long time ago (and what about season-spanning deception?)

2. Count the kills/death as they are apparently, and let the points stick. This allows for the same Characters to get multiple kill/death points, which was previously only allowed for very special cases (Jaqen H'ghar, Beric Dondarrion). Only exception is if the reveal happens in the same episode.

Leaning towards the second, as it's the easier way to keep consistent scoring (and not risk spoilers for late-watchers). -nyan

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2016 May 9

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

46:30 (+10) Osha:

Osha bleeds out on the floor of Ramsay Bolton's quarters, after her failed attempt to assassinate him. (Death)

+1 for Rickon Stark

Episode 5: The Door

+1 for Rickon Stark, +1 for Osha

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

+1 for Rickon Stark, +1 for Osha

Episode 7: The Broken Man

+1 for Rickon Stark, +1 for Osha

Episode 8: No One

+1 for Rickon Stark, +1 for Osha

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

14:39 (+0) Rickon Stark:

Smalljon Umber tosses out Shaggydog's severed head to prove to Jon and Sansa that they have Rickon as their prisoner. (Dead Body Appearance)

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Just out of curiosity: When Robb's corpse with Grey Wind's head sewn on top of it is shown, would Robb receive double points? :D -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 22 nyan and dopeghoti like this
I'd say so. One score for Robb, and one score for Grey Wind, who scores for Robb. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 22
I'm so glad we changed the death scoring to this from the automatic 1pt. The scoring possibilities for the rewatch are going to be delicious. -nyan

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2016 Jun 22 Lem Lemoncake likes this

35:44 (+10) Rickon Stark:

Rickon is killed by an arrow through his chest by Ramsay Bolton, after being given a chance to run to freedom towards the Stark army. (Death)

+1 for Rickon Stark, +1 for Osha

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

+1 for Rickon Stark, +1 for Rickon Stark, +1 for Osha

Special

Episode 1: The Red Woman

29:17 (+3) Varys:

Tyrion references Varys' eunuch status in his comeback.
Varys: "You walk as though the paving stones were your personal property. I used to steal from people like you when I was a boy."
Tyrion: "It's a good thing you're not a boy anymore. ... Because you have no cock." (Special)

29:58 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion gives a coin to the Meereenese homeless woman and her baby to feed themselves. (Special)

Episode 2: Home

21:24 (+6) Grey Worm :

After getting some R&R from hands-on fighting Grey Worm and hitting the books (his pet name for Missandei), Grey Worm shows off his expanding vocabulary with his first ever three-syllable words in the Westerosi common tongue.

in Meereenese council meeting: "We are searching for the men who burned the ships, but *nobody* saw *anything*." (Special)

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22:46 (+3) Varys:

Varys just can't get away from the eunuch references after he judgmentally stares at Tyrion downing another cup of wine.
Tyrion: "If I lost my cock, I'd drink all the time. *looks at Greyworm* ...meaning no offense. He makes dwarf jokes, I make eunuch jokes." (Special)

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38:35 (+3) Podrick Payne:

Podrick spends 12 seconds of screentime flicking away at his flintstone in an attempt to start a campfire. We eventually do see the kindling get started in the next shot, after Brienne comes over to supervise. (Special)

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Podrick not being able to start the fire could be seen as a failed attempt at a basic task -kmahan

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2016 May 3 hawaiikman likes this
This will be rejected, I just wanted an event to talk about how close Podrick was to NOT starting a fire after flicking at the flintstone for a good 10 seconds. Alas he's now competent at a lot of things. -nyan

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2016 May 2
Seems a lot of people actually though the opposite - added! To add evidence to Pod's incompetence, the 12 seconds of spark-making Podrick is alone, and in the next shot when we finally see the fire get started, Brienne has arrived to supervise Pod. -nyan

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2016 May 3

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

28:09 (+3) Grey Worm :

Grey Worm with the second episode in a row with a three-syllable word:
"We conquered Astapor and Yunkai once. We will do it again and *execute* the Masters." (Special)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

12:40 (+9) Grey Worm :

Grey Worm remarks on the arriving slave masters from Yunkai and Astapor. "You invite the *enemy* into our city... I don't make peace with the Queen's *enemies*, I kill the Queen's *enemies*." (Special)

13:40 (+3) Varys:

Astapor slave master: "We came here to meet the Queen, and instead we're greeted by a dwarf and a eunuch." (Special)

14:08 (+3) Grey Worm :

Missandei: "...hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children still lived in chains-"
Razdal mo Eraz: "As they have since the dawn of time."
Grey Worm: "Not *anymore*". (Special)

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18:42 (+3) Grey Worm :

to Tyrion: "I am loyal to my Queen, not you. If you betray her work, you are my *enemy*." (Special)

19:13 (+3) Grey Worm :

to Tyrion: "You don't know them (the slave masters), you don't *understand* them. We are not human in their eyes." (Special)

Episode 5: The Door

34:36 (+3) Varys:

High Priestess Kinvara talks to Varys about his castration.
"If not for your... mutilation at the hand of a second-rate sorcerer, you wouldn't be here. Helping the Lord's Chosen bring his light into the world... Do you remember what you heard that night when the sorcerer tossed your parts in the fire?" (Special)

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Episode 8: No One

9:57 (+3) Varys:

Varys: "If you shaved your beard with a straight razor, you'd say the razor worked. That doesn't mean it won't cut your throat."
Tyrion: "Spoken like a man who has never had to shave." (Special)

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14:43 (+3) Podrick Payne:

Podrick fails to keep his guard up as Bronn is able to sneak up behind him and grab him in a chokehold. Bronn: "Podrick fucking Payne. I thought you'd be dead by now." (Special)

28:20 (+3) Grey Worm :

After Tyrion's joke during the Meereenese council meeting.
Tyrion: "...it's funnier in Westeros."
Greyworm: "The Starks and the Lannisters. I thought these were *enemies*." (Special)

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43:19 (+6) Grey Worm :

Advanced battle tactics require advanced vocabulary: "If we go to the beach, the Masters will take the *pyramid*. The *pyramid* is the only place in the city we can defend." (Special)

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