The banners without brotherhood

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6-1, 62.5 roto pts (#1)
Z-Score: 1.167 (percentile: 87.84%)
Weeks at #1: 6
Categories won: Political Wins (81), Acts of Intercourse (65)
Best Week: Episode 1: Dragonstone (+8 roto points)
Team MVP: Cersei Lannister (picked #2, 140 points, 46.51% of team total)
Longest winstreak: W-5

Roster Stats

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Sex	Special
Cersei Lannister Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, after the death of her last remaining child Tommen Baratheon. She suffers from a rare water allergy.	#2	140	5	45	18	20	40	12
Bronn A former sellsword, who has risen through the ranks of nobility thanks to his fighting skills and work for the Lannisters. He has accompanied Jaime Lannister on his missions to Dorne and Riverrun.	#22	69	21	9	33	0	0	6
Samwell Tarly A steward of the Night's Watch, Samwell has been sent south to Oldtown to begin his training as a Maester. He is a close friend to Jon Snow, and one of the few people known to have killed a White Walker.	#19	55	5	18	9	5	0	18
Missandei A freed slave from Astapor, who serves Daenerys as an advisor and translator.	#39	31	0	3	0	0	25	3
Eddison Tollett One of Jon Snow's few friends in the Night's Watch, he now serves as the Lord Commander after Jon deserts the order following his betrayal.	#42	3	0	3	0	0	0	0
Bronze Yohn Royce Head of House Royce, bannermen to House Arryn of the Vale.	#59	3	0	3	0	0	0	0
Ornela (Dothraki Widow from Lhazareen) A young Dothraki widow from Dosh Khaleen. She follows Daenerys Targaryen after she defeats the other Khals by burning them alive inside the Temple of Dosh Khaleen.	#62	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Daisy A new prostitute employed in the brothels of Littlefinger.	#79	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		301	31	81	60	25	65	39

Roster

charId	Character	Special
18	Cersei Lannister Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, after the death of her last remaining child Tommen Baratheon. She suffers from a rare water allergy.	* +1 special point every time she pours wine or requests a glass be poured * +1 point when someone (excl. Jaime) references incest with Jaime or her childrens' bastardy directly to her * 2x multiplier for sex acts involving incest (first cousin or closer)
40	Samwell Tarly A steward of the Night's Watch, Samwell has been sent south to Oldtown to begin his training as a Maester. He is a close friend to Jon Snow, and one of the few people known to have killed a White Walker.	+1 point for reading books, mentioning he "read that in a book", or writing raven letters.
23	Bronn A former sellsword, who has risen through the ranks of nobility thanks to his fighting skills and work for the Lannisters. He has accompanied Jaime Lannister on his missions to Dorne and Riverrun.	+1 point when he gives expert critique/advice on fighting strategy
37	Missandei A freed slave from Astapor, who serves Daenerys as an advisor and translator.	+1 point for each scene where she speaks Valyrian or translates.
45	Eddison Tollett One of Jon Snow's few friends in the Night's Watch, he now serves as the Lord Commander after Jon deserts the order following his betrayal.
111	Bronze Yohn Royce Head of House Royce, bannermen to House Arryn of the Vale.
255	Ornela (Dothraki Widow from Lhazareen) A young Dothraki widow from Dosh Khaleen. She follows Daenerys Targaryen after she defeats the other Khals by burning them alive inside the Temple of Dosh Khaleen.
184	Daisy A new prostitute employed in the brothels of Littlefinger.

Kills

Episode 2: Stormborn

33:54 (+5) Samwell Tarly:

Samwell plies off the infected Greyscale tissue from Jorah's chest, with all the gentleness of a spoon digging through hot pie. (Major Injury of Named Character)

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You referenced Tyrion's scar which is tiny compared to that of a burn victim. So even if we made the criteria: Tyrion's scar or larger, I think we would still see quite a few injuries that might have otherwise been considered minor now being considered major.

Also real life burn victims don't have access to the medical ointments that Samwell is applying to Jorah, for all we know Jorah could come out of this looking like nothing happened. And I can assure you if that's the case I will definitely be arguing for these points to be removed retroactively. -ssantise

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2017 Jul 25
Is anyone else having trouble with trades mine won't allow accept ion, rejection, or counter
-talindsey

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2017 Jul 28
@ssantise admittedly they've minimized Tyrion's scar in subsequent seasons. If you recall back to S2 they made a big thing about having bandaged up his entire face and was worried that Shae wouldn't love him anymore. I do think that if Tyrion recovers from the battle, has a cosmetic scar but they don't really make a big thing about it, it wouldn't be a major injury. -nyan

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2017 Jul 31

Episode 3: The Queen's Justice

0:00 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei plants a kiss on Tyene Sand, poisoning her with the Long Farewell - the same poison used by Ellaria Sand to kill Myrcella Baratheon. (Major Injury of Named Character)

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Who seems satisfied??? This is baffling to me. You're awarding death points for someone who may not be dead. What happens if Tyene is still alive next episode and does something? No death points without confirmed death. -alicehanners

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2017 Aug 3 righteous likes this
@alicehanners there are no death points yet. these are major injury points for the poison which will be upgraded to 10 total for kill points if the poison kills her (to prevent a 5+10 double dip for Cersei) and then 5 to Tyene when she dies -hkeseyan

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2017 Aug 3 nyan likes this
Doesn't make sense to give death points for this, but it's certainly major injury. -righteous

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2017 Aug 8

Episode 4: The Spoils of War

44:16 (+2) Bronn:

Bronn unsheathes a sword out of the torso of an impaled, flailing Lannister soldier, inflicting the fatal damage on the way out. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

44:18 (+4) Bronn:

Bronn runs through the chaos of the battlefield to make his way over to the Scorpion, cutting down two Dothraki screamers with the sword he takes from the torso of an impaled Lannister soldier. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

44:56 (+10) Bronn:

Bronn blows away the Dothraki screamer with a bolt from the Scorpion. (Kill of Named Character)

http://imgur.com/x1lUuOZ

Full screencap log of Bronn kills - http://imgur.com/gallery/Lpbfn -nyan

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2017 Aug 8
Do we still have the Boss Fight criteria for calling it named? If so, I think this one ought to count. These two were engaged for the entirety of this scene. -jedjackoway

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2017 Aug 8 nyan and dlapato like this
@jedjackoway I was really thinking about the boss fight criteria here, and originally I felt like this was just on the cusp of it. It was definitely more than the 2pt kill of the other extras, but then again the existing precedent for the 10pt "boss fight" was Jon Snow shattering a freaking White Walker into pieces at Hardhome. So this lived somewhere in between.

However they did feature the guy prominently, and the guy did have that utterly badass moment where he sliced the leg off of Bronn's horse. So I think we'll roll with it as a boss fight kill, and perhaps this can give a further criteria to what makes someone a "boss fight" character - characters who are featured in their own badass fighting moments or are shown to be wrecking the other extras. -nyan

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2017 Aug 18

47:34 (+5) Bronn:

After a miss on his first shot, Bronn strikes a bolt from the Scorpio into Drogon's right shoulder, sending him spiraling out of control and forcing Daenerys to the ground. (Major Injury of Named Character)

Political Wins

Episode 1: Dragonstone

8:37 (+3) Eddison Tollett:

Edd learns that Bran Stark is still alive, after he and Meera Reed show up to the gates of Castle Black. (Secret Discovery)

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I don't know, Stannis just said in passing "I know what dragonglass is, we have it in Dragonstone", but he didn't say how much or where to get it. Plus I think it's easy to forget things that are said in passing like that. Especially since he had that whole traumatic incident with Gilly later on. The maesters' book actually spelled out exactly where it is in the mine, and how much and gave a ton of info on how it can be used. (maybe I'm just trying to convince myself that there are no mistakes in the show) -tommyjames81

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2017 Jul 22 nyan likes this
But if he says something in passing is it really a secret? -hindsight44

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2017 Jul 22
Will officially add the above criteria (first person to know outside of the secret-holder, and has power to distribute or maintain the secret) to the official scoring, and grant secret points to Edd for this. -nyan

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2017 Jul 24

22:40 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Over Jaime's protests, Cersei meets with Euron Greyjoy to hear his alliance proposal, although it ultimately ends in Euron leaving empty-handed with a promise to return with a gift. (Executive Decision)

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Yeah to me, overruling Jaime is the most concrete thing that's been done so far. It's a little soft that simply meeting with Euron is a "major decision", but Jaime argues pretty hard against doing that and as Queen, and exerts her power by just doing it anyway. -nyan

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2017 Jul 19 jedjackoway likes this
Original submission from @hindsight44: "hey man i feel like Cersei kinda got boned on the political front. the way i see it she got 3 seperate political events. +3 for overuling jaime with an executive order on the iron born, he protested euron completley but cersei still brokered a deal with him.which leads to my second event when she brokered a deal with euron which should be+3. finally euron left episode agreeing to to the bidding or cersei which makes him a followet of cersei which should be another +3." -nyan

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2017 Jul 20
You don't always have to outright ask to get what you want. To make someone think it is their idea to do what u want is perfect. It was a deal. -j.stainless11

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2017 Jul 20 hindsight44 likes this

27:02 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Samwell has officially made it to grad-school life, having been admitted as a student of the Citadel. His first task is latrine duty. (New Title)

50:13 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

As Samwell flips the pages of the restricted Maester books, he discovers that Dragonstone sits on a literal mountain of dragonglass, a weapon crucial to defeating the White Walkers. (Secret Discovery)

Episode 2: Stormborn

19:17 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Qyburn presents a high-powered dragon-killing ballista to Cersei. "Apparently, one of Daenerys' dragons was wounded by spears in the fighting pits of Meereen. If they can be wounded, they can be killed." (New Weapon)

30:55 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Samwell sneaks into Jorah's room to try an experimental Greyscale treatment on him, despite Archmaester Ebrose's forbidding him to do so. (Executive Decision)

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a key component of an executive decision is that the decision is made to someone who you have power over. it cant be 'Executive' without that power dynamic. -hindsight44

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2017 Jul 24 nyan likes this
'Naughty' points? -xdwxrd

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2017 Jul 25
@ssantise I would not necessarily hold that followers and decisions are intertwined. Samwell is not directly a follower of the Archmaester, however the Archmaester is still making Citadel-wide rules for all Maesters (and Maesters-in-training), which Samwell must obey as part of the order. Just like a student is not necesarily a follower of a principal, but the principal can still make school-wide decisions that affect all the students. -nyan

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2017 Jul 31

38:07 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Samwell's letter is the final straw that convinces Jon Snow to ally with Daenerys Targaryen.

"This message was sent to me by Samwell Tarly. He was my brother at the Night's Watch. A man I trust as much as anyone in this world. He's discovered proof that Dragonstone sits on a mountain of dragonglass." (Convincing Argument)

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I don't like the idea of tweaking the rulebook constantly so that everyone can get as many points of possible. I think its important to have a concrete set of rules that we can all rely on. I agree that there must be room for changes as the show evolves but I feel there should be a bit more formality around making substantial changes to the rulebook. -ssantise

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2017 Jul 25
@hindsight44 one definition of the word argument is a two-way debate that involves dialogue. but a "convincing argument" is just a one-way statement. if people exchange convincing arguments, that entire dialogue can be considered an argument. if an attorney presents an argument at a case, they are the only ones speaking, until the other side present their argument(s). if someone writes a critical essay (or like in this case, a letter), they are making a single argument to persuade the reader of something. these are all one-way arguments -hkeseyan

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2017 Jul 25
@ssantise and @hkeseyan, basically you are both on the sides that I'm trying to balance when refining the scorekeeping. As @ssantise says, for consistency and fairness, the rules shouldn't change drastically. And definitely not for reasons like "we want there to be as many scores as possible". But as @hkeseyan and I'm sure lots of people realized, there are lots of areas to improve on the scoring rules, and that's especially true since the original rules were just what I could think of on my own when I started the game - each year lots of players are bringing in new ideas and are continually making the game better, and we still haven't quite reached the point where everything if fully stabilized.

For this convincing argument case, I think @hkeseyan gets at a better spirit of the rules for scoring, which isn't strictly about the decision by a character being reversed, but simply a character effectively convincing another to go with their plan of action (but with some real effort needed to convince, not simply "Hey man you wanna kill some Lannisters? Sure let's do it.").

In hindsight it was a mistake on my part to word it concretely around a decision being already made - I had been thinking too narrowly about examples like Robert and his Small Council, and it doesn't cover things like a brooding, indecisive Jon even though that was the intention.

So given that, I'll change that rulebook line to the following:

A character can be "convinced" only after they had initially decided in the opposite decision, or shown some resistance or indecision to the arguments.

Definitely it's not taken lightly and I understand each of these changes affects the scoring expectations negatively. For the most part I hope all of these tweaks are getting closer in line with the spirit of what deserves scoring. And I believe, is not inconsistent with what we've scored before (if anyone is finding examples of rejected scores because a character was simply indecisive vs. fully decided in the opposite direction, let me know. But otherwise I think this is the first time it's come up.) -nyan

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2017 Jul 31 ssantise likes this

Episode 3: The Queen's Justice

22:34 (+6) Cersei Lannister:

Euron Greyjoy presents his gift to Cersei - the captured Ellaria and Tyene Sand. (New Follower/Prisoner)

23:28 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei accepts Euron Greyjoy's proposal of an alliance, appointing him at the head of her navy. (New Follower/Prisoner)

30:40 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei casually reveals her night of incest with Jaime in her chambers as she opens the door for one of her handmaidens.

Jaime: "What are you doing? No one can see us like this."
Cersei: "I am Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, I'll do as I please." (Executive Decision)

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I'm not sure that this really qualifies as a "major decision"? Since we know the handmaiden is is not going to do anything. But it is Cersei flexing her political muscle to Jaime. -nyan

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2017 Aug 1
I Interprered this as two things. First was her decision that she is longer hiding their incest
Second that between her and Jaime she is the one wearing the proverbial pants. Also because this is within a sex scene if it does receive points it should get the 2x multiplier. I can see both sides of this argument however. -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 1
It doesn't seem very 'executive' at this point. -xdwxrd

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2017 Aug 1
I agree that this does deserved points for an Executive Decision, her openly revealing her incestual relationship is a Major Decision. However Cersie definitely should not be getting 2X multiplier for non-sexual acts. She already is probably going to be the highest scoring character in the game and if shes going to be more open about her relationship with Jamie she definitely cannot be getting 2X for everything she does.

I think we need clarification on the Cersie's special. The rule currently reads: "2x multiplier for sex scenes involving incest" although I believe it has the same meaning, I think it should be refined to read "2x multiplier for sexual ACTS involving incest". -ssantise

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2017 Aug 1 nyan likes this
@ssantise thats a good clarification, I'll change the text. The intention was definitely for the sex act, not everything happening in the scenes -nyan

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2017 Aug 1

33:09 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei convinces the Iron Bank against investing in Daenerys Targaryen, and to give her an extension on her loan instead: "From what I gather, she considers herself more of a revolutionary than a monarch. In your experience, how do bankers usually fare with revolutionaries? The Lannisters owe the Iron Bank quite a lot of money, but Lannisters always pay their debts. Do former slaves or Dothraki or dragons?"

Tycho Nestoris: "Your father's daughter, indeed." (Convincing Argument)

51:27 (+3) Missandei:

Missandei convinces Daenerys against flying out herself to hunt down Euron Greyjoy's Iron Fleet.

Tyrion: "You'd be flying around the open seas alone for who knows how long."
Daenerys: "I wouldn't be alone. I would have Drogon, Viserion, and Rhaegal. What can anyone do to them?"
Missandei: "They can still do something to you. It only takes one arrow." (Convincing Argument)

Episode 4: The Spoils of War

45:01 (+3) Bronn:

Bronn arrives to the wagon and unveils the Scorpion, a high-powered dragon-killing ballista. (New Weapon)

Ifhe gets points for this, wouldn't he--and everyone else--get points every time they use someone else's weapon? -alicehanners

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2017 Aug 9
The Scorpion is a notable weapon. If Jon drops Longclaw and Tormund or a White Walker pick it up to use briefly, they would get New Weapon points.

I see a point though that the weapon is already in possession of the Lannister army, and Bronn is simply a soldier in it. We'll see if it comes up again, I agree that if it's the same Scorpion and there's a second battle and we see Bronn firing it, it feels like a double count. I think a second Scorpion would be okay though. -nyan

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2017 Aug 10 hkeseyan likes this
I think the "noteable" aspect is important. Maybe we can find some case examples for the various faces of "noteable". I'd suggest:
- weapon has a fancy name such as Longclaw, Widow's Wail, Ice, whatever
- we see the weapon being handed over to someone in a festive or whatever special manner, such as Tywin handing out these Swords to Joff and Jaime or the Old Bear to Jon
- weapon is gained and has an important impact on something such as the Scorpion on the battle last episode; another possibility could be that someone recognizes a special weapon (such as Littlefinger's dagger) etc.

What I'm aiming at is that the "New Weapon" rule shouldn't apply to any new weapon that is being picked up by someone during a fight but to an event that has a noteable impact on the story or adds to the worldbuilding/mythology/lore of ASoIaF. -Lem Lemoncake

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2017 Aug 12 nyan likes this
Yep, the notable condition is already in the rulebook, but kind of sparse on examples and these are some great ones. In general I think having a name or otherwise being talked about specifically by characters has been a good benchmark so far. -nyan

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Episode 5: Eastwatch

11:49 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

With the delivery of the Tyrell gold and a repayment of debts to the Iron Bank, Cersei secures a new loan: "We have the Tyrell gold, we have the Iron Bank behind us. We can buy mercenaries." (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

12:57 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Jaime explains to Cersei that it was Olenna Tyrell who had assassinated Joffrey, not Tyrion.

Jaime: "It was Olenna. She confessed before she died."
Cersei: "And this was before or after she drank the poison you so kindly provided her?"
Jaime: "After."
Cersei: "And you believed her?"
Jaime: "If you were Olenna, would you rather have seen your granddaughter married to Joffrey or Tommen? Which one would Margaery have been better able to control? Which one would have made Olenna the true ruler of the Seven Kingdoms? She was telling the truth." (Secret Discovery)

13:45 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei rejects Jaime's plea to find a peaceful solution out of the conflict with Daenerys.

Jaime: "And if we don't find a way out of this war, we'll follow them."
Cersei: "So we fight and die or we submit and die. I know my choice. A soldier should know his." (Executive Decision)

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same idiocy by me, Overrulibg decision. -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 15
same principle as her oberruling jaime with Euron -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 16
Did any decision come out of this? I'm not sure that Jaime had a proposal or that Cersei had an order at the end of the day. It was sort of an expression of sentiments, Jaime saying they can't win against dragons and Cersei saying they'll still fight on and find a way. -nyan

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2017 Aug 16
Overuling doesnt mean mean you need to order anything. Her decision was to stay the course against a third parties disaproval. In a court of law a judge uses overrule so the subject can stay the course and not accept whatever arguement the lawyer is trying to present. Cersei didnt give an order or change anything at all when she Overuled Jaimes advice to meet with Euron, she simply stayed the course after overuling her generals advice. Also this was clearly not a simple tit for tat conversation, Jaime says at the beginning of the episode he has to tell Cersei how bad this is. As general of her army in his next scene he specifcally went to her to try and convince her that this is a war that they will lose. -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 16
Yeah I think that works as a light decision. Jaime didn't have a concrete solution but he was sort of proposing that they start looking for alternate, peaceful solutions and that was rejected pretty strongly. -nyan

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2017 Aug 18

32:25 (+3) Bronn:

Bronn finds Tyrion in the dungeons below the Red Keep, later arranging a secret meeting between him and Jaime. (Secret Discovery)

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41:06 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei reveals that she is already aware of Jaime and Tyrion's secret meeting.

Cersei: "Are you going to punish him?"
Jaime: "Tyrion?"
Cersei: "Bronn. He betrayed you. He set up a meeting without your knowledge or consent. Do you think anything of importance happens in this city without me knowing?" (Secret Discovery)

48:41 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Samwell steals several books and records from the restricted area of the library and abandons the Citadel with Gilly and little Sam.

Gilly: "Are you sure you want to do this? You always wanted to be a Maester."
Samwell: "I'm tired of reading about the achievements of better men." (Act of Betrayal)

Episode 7: The Dragon and the Wolf

40:01 (+3) Bronn:

After a private meeting with Tyrion, Cersei agrees to a truce with the Targaryen and Northern forces so that they may collectively combat the White Walker threat, completing the deal brokered by Tyrion, Jaime, and Bronn's secret meeting. (Deals Brokered)

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59:13 (+3) Bronze Yohn Royce:

Royce rejects the command of Littlefinger, dooming him to Sansa's sentence in his 'trial' at the court of Winterfell.

Petyr Baelish: "I am Lord Protector of the Vale and I command you to escort me safely back to the Eyrie."
Yohn Royce: "I think not." (Act of Betrayal)

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62:06 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei declares that the Lannister armies will not be sent north to help fight the White Walkers, over Jaime's protests.

"The monsters are real. The White Walkers, the dragons, the Dothraki screamers all the frightening stories we heard when we were young, they're all real. So be it. Let the monsters kill each other. And while they battle in the North, we take back the lands that belong to us." (Executive Decision)

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62:50 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei figures that Daenerys has lost one of her dragons and has only two left.

Cersei: "How many dragons did you see at the pit?"
Jaime: "Two."
Cersei: "What happened to the third?
Jaime: "For all we know, it's guarding her fleet!"
Cersei: "She came here with her dragons and her Dothraki and her Unsullied. She came here to show us all her power. No, something happened. The dragons are vulnerable." (Secret Discovery)

63:59 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei has bought the services of the mercenary Golden Company. "Highgarden bought us the most powerful army in Essos the Golden Company. 20,000 men, horses, elephants, I believe." (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

64:12 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei reneges on her promise to send her armies to fight the Army of the Dead in the north, threatening Jaime with treason for disobeying.

Jaime: "I pledged to ride north. I intend to honor that pledge."
Cersei: "And that will be treason."
Jaime: "Treason?"
Cersei: "Disobeying your queen's command, fighting with her enemies. What would you call it?"
Jaime: "Doesn't matter what I'd call it." (Act of Betrayal)

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I have the executive decision to Jaime, since he's going to lead the armies north against her wishes. Cersei lost out politically when he called her bluff. -nyan

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2017 Aug 29
Jaime isnt leadong her armies though, it was pretty clear he defected, he wasnt in any Lannister armor and was riding by himself. The reason he left was because Cersei overruled him. Also i think Cersei has to somehow, someway get betrayal points somewhere for this episode. She played everyone! -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 29 nyan, emilien.raggi, Lem Lemoncake like this
Ooh, I'll have to rewatch and do some reading, but I think you're right since it's just Jaime trotting out alone. This could definitely count for Cersei then. -nyan

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2017 Aug 29 emilien.raggi likes this
Had the same impression as hindsight44. -Lem Lemoncake

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2017 Aug 30
But would probably only count it as a betrayal - which in some way very often obviously is an executive decision. -Lem Lemoncake

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2017 Aug 30

69:17 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Sam puts the pieces of Bran's visions about Jon Snow's parentage together, remembering what Gilly told him at the Citadel about Rhaegar Targaryen's secret wedding.

"At the Citadel, I transcribed a High Septon's diary. He annulled Rhaegar's marriage to Elia. He wed Rhaegar and Lyanna in a secret ceremony." (Secret Discovery)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

Episode 3: The Queen's Justice

28:34 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

to Ellaria Sand: "Your daughter will die here in this cell, and you will be here watching when she does. You'll be here the rest of your days. If you refuse to eat, we'll force food down your throat. You will live to watch your daughter rot. To watch that beautiful face collapse - to bone and dust. All the while contemplating the choices you've made.

Make sure the guards change the torches every few hours. I don't want her to miss a thing." (Threat)

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@ssleppy Cersei acquires the prisoner points here: http://fantasora.com/event/3296 -nyan

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2017 Aug 1 ssleppy likes this
I thought it wasn't considered a threat if they do the thing they are threatening? -alicehanners

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2017 Aug 3
I don't recall anything against carrying out the threat, just that the action itself shouldn't purely make the threat threatening, it should be the line having interesting wording. -nyan

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2017 Aug 4

Episode 4: The Spoils of War

0:00 (+3) Bronn:

Jaime to Bronn: Besides think of the upkeep, the more you own the more it weighs you down.

Bronn To Jaime: Is that why you're so glum eh? All your new riches weighing you down? (Witty Insult)

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3:55 (+3) Bronn:

to Jaime: "You've just won the biggest prize in the world, what do you possibly have to be upset about? C'mon you can tell me - the Queen of Thorns give you one last prick in the balls before saying goodbye?" (Witty Insult)

37:28 (+3) Bronn:

to Dickon Tarly: "Men shit themselves when they die, didn't they teach you that at fancy lad school?" (Witty Insult)

Episode 5: Eastwatch

4:22 (+3) Bronn:

to Jaime: "Listen to me, cunt. Until I get what I'm owed, a dragon doesn't get to kill you. You don't get to kill you. Only I get to kill you." (Funny Line)

4:35 (+3) Bronn:

Jaime: "That was only one of them. She has two more. If she decides to use them, to really use them-"
Bronn: "You're fucked."
Jaime: "Don't you mean we're fucked?"
Bronn: "No, I do not." (Funny Line)

This is part of a convo where Bronn also talks about the stupidity of Jaime running up to a dragon to try and 'end the war'. Also deciding to no longer fight for your army because it faces certain defeat is a fighting strategy. (live to fight another day) Any love for this being a Bronn special? I feel like hes talks alot about fighting this episode and last but hasnt got any points for it. -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 15
Need to address the submissions from E4. I didn't initially score any of these since they seemed to fall short of Bronn's previous lines, which were generally more instructive or "technical", and these were mostly general comments about the battle (any soldier could have said them, they weren't specific to Bronn's expertise). I think some of these lines could work though, but I do think there's a line that prevents Bronn's special from being a score anytime he says anything battle-related.

There's a list of existing scores for Bronn's special if you scroll down: http://fantasora.com/char/23 -nyan

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2017 Aug 15
I hear what youre saying and i think if you take everything Bronn has said about fighting in the past two episodes there are about ten different quotes that can be directly linked to fighting. Im not saying he should get points for everything said but i think its even more extreme to give him none at all.

In e4: Discussing with Jaime whether or not to stay is directly talking strategy, so is in a later scene deciding whether or not who is best fit to use the Scorpion.

E5: Letting Jaime know that riding up to a dragon to end a war and then saying you will no longer fight for him because its a lost cause is about fighting strategy(i think this combined points should be one special.) Also in a later scene telling Jaime the reason he can fight in old age is because he trains alot is also talking fighting strategy.

i would also suggest that there is some language put in Bronns special that it requires his expertise for it to count. Cersei isnt an expert at pouring wine, Sansa isnt an expert at crying, There isnt a specific type of book sam has to read for it to be read from a book. I chose Bronn because he is the #2 to the General of the Lannister army and they would be talking about general fighting strategies alot. If i knew that it was only expertise i would have chosen someone different. Also Davos says funny things alot that didnt stop him from getting 30 points for every single joke he made. -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 15 nyan, talindsey, elemnwuke, alih1991, 2 others like this
So for Bronn's special, I've added one in from E4 here, and you can find the discussion there about my thoughts on the criteria for Bronn's "strategy/tactics" line: http://fantasora.com/event/3455

I'll agree it's not so well written - you'll see there is a common thread in the previous scores that Bronn has a hard-on for trenches being dug the right way, having proper footwork, and what kind of armor he prefers to wear and that was the idea behind his Special. They're lines about this really niche fighting stuff that only Bronn would think about. Contrast to here, where you could literally drop in any character that could have told Jaime "Three Dragons? You're fucked." If he started talking about the weight of the bolts he fired or how thick the dragon scale was, that's a classic Bronn line.

I've changed the wording a bit on Bronn's special to better reflect that - it now reads "+1 point when he gives expert critique/advice on fighting strategy". -nyan

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2017 Aug 18

4:45 (+3) Bronn:

Bronn: "Dragons are where our partnership ends. I'm not gonna be around when those things start spitting fire on King's Landing."
Jaime: "I have to tell Cersei."
Bronn: "May as well jump back in that river." (Funny Line)

13:45 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Jaime Lannister: "[Olenna's] dead, like her son, her grandchildren, her whole house. And if we don't find a way out of this war, we'll follow them."
Cersei: "So we fight and die or we submit and die. I know my choice. A soldier should know his." (Witty Insult)

31:51 (+3) Bronn:

Jaime: "We don't have time for this, we should be preparing the city for a siege. The Dothraki are coming."
Bronn: "All the more reason for you to train. Unless you plan on fighting Dothraki twelve-year-olds." (Witty Insult)

32:04 (+3) Bronn:

Jaime: "Why (do swordfight training) down here?"
Bronn: "I don't think you want people to see how you look swinging that thing yet." (Witty Insult)

47:05 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Gilly: "Guess how many windows are in the Great Sept of Baelor.
Sam: "None anymore." (Funny Line)

47:58 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Sam goes on a rant to Gilly about the order of Maesters: "We can all become slavering, murderous imbeciles in thrall to evil incarnate as long as we can have access to the full records of High Septon Maynard's 15,782 shits!" (Witty Insult)

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Episode 7: The Dragon and the Wolf

4:44 (+3) Bronn:

Bronn and Jaime discuss the Unsullied army standing outside the gates of King's Landing.

Bronn: "Men without cocks. You wouldn't find me fighting in an army if I had no cock. What's left to fight for?"
Jaime: "Gold?"
Bronn: "I spent my life around soldiers. What do you think they spend that gold on?"
Jaime: "Family."
Bronn: "Not without a cock, you don't." (Funny Line)

7:44 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

briefing Gregor Clegane in Jaime's presence: "If anything goes wrong, kill the silver-haired bitch first, then our brother, then the bastard who calls himself King. The rest of them you can kill in any order you see fit." (Threat)

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9:28 (+3) Bronn:

Bronn breaks up the Podrick and Tyrion reunion

Podrick: "I never thought I'd see you again, my lord."
Tyrion: "Supporting the enemy, no less."
Podrick: "Hard to blame you."
Tyrion: 'Cersei will anyway."
Podrick: "I'm glad you're alive."
Bronn: "Come on. You can suck his magic cock later." (Witty Insult)

11:17 (+3) Bronn:

Tyrion Lannister: "Are you? Helping me to arrange this meeting wasn't exactly looking after yourself, was it? You put yourself at risk."
Bronn: "I put yourself at risk. Important difference. It's your head Queen Cersei's offered a bag of gold for, it's not mine. Now, thanks to me, she's got two traitors' heads coming right through her door. She can lop them both off as soon as she gets tired of the clever words that pour out their pieholes. All thanks to Ser Bronn of the fucking Blackwater. If that's not looking after myself, I don't know what is." (Threat)

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19:45 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Jon Snow: "Lord Tyrion tells me a million people live in this city. They're about to become a million more soldiers in the Army of the Dead."
Cersei: "I imagine for most of them it would be an improvement." (Comeback)

27:06 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

after Jon Snow rejects her offer of truce: "Then there is nothing left to discuss. The dead will come north first. Enjoy dealing with them. We will deal with whatever is left of you." (Threat)

61:07 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei: "What are you doing?"
Jaime: "Preparing the expedition north."
Cersei: "Expedition north? I always knew you were the stupidest Lannister." (Witty Insult)

67:52 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Sam: "What happened to you beyond the Wall?"
Bran Stark: "I became the Three-Eyed Raven."
Sam: "Ohhh! ...I don't know what that means." (Funny Line)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

Episode 1: Dragonstone

20:52 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei takes a sip from the glass while discussing the failed alliance with the Freys after Walder's assassination. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 2: Stormborn

31:39 (+5) Samwell Tarly:

Samwell takes a hearty swig of the rum he gives to Jorah, before attempting the Greyscale surgery. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 3: The Queen's Justice

28:15 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei downs a shot of Long Farewell antidote after poisoning Tyene Sand with a kiss. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

31:24 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei drinks while discussing the Iron Throne's debt payments with Tycho Nestoris, a representative of the Iron Bank. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 4: The Spoils of War

6:40 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei drinks while discussing the delivery of Tyrell gold to Tycho Nestoris of the Iron Bank. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

Episode 2: Stormborn

26:45 (+25) Missandei:

Missandei gets with Grey Worm on the very last night before he sails off for Casterly Rock. (Act of Intercourse)

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If only this website was as popular when we had the old Theon/Myrham's Daughter on Ship debate, what would the masses have said! -coconnor723

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2017 Jul 26 nyan likes this
Grey worm's mouth made contact with her vagina. The rules don't say genital-on-genital contact. Also I hate the term reproductive organ since the vagina doesn't really do any of the reproduction.

She def didn't show box tho -alicehanners

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2017 Jul 30
Ah, good points that you brought up, 'reproductive' was the wrong word to use. I'll change that to contact with the same nude parts that are counted for points (boobs, butts, and the frontal nudity). I suppose that now includes spanking as a sexual act. ?

Will also clarify in the rulebook that it's just one person's sexy bits that need to be contacted to count. So giving a handie or oral sex will count for both people, it doesn't need to be fully reciprocal. -nyan

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2017 Jul 31

Episode 3: The Queen's Justice

30:30 (+40) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei throws off the bed sheets to reveal herself in the morning after a night with Jaime. (Act of Intercourse)

My math on this is 40 because of the 2x special multiplier. Thoughts? -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 1 nyan and colin.heinke like this
Should be 40, and Jaime's should be 20. -hkeseyan

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Yep, forgot to apply the multiplier, thanks guys! Damn, this ratchets their scores up really high, though to be fair this is the first nude sex scene I can recall from Cersei in a long while (ever?) -nyan

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Special

Episode 1: Dragonstone

20:17 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei runs for the pitcher and pours a glass as Jaime confronts her about Tommen's death. (Special)

23:59 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Euron Greyjoy: "Ever since I was a little boy, I wanted to grow up and marry the most beautiful woman in the world, so here I am with a thousand ships and two good hands." (looks at Jaime) (Special)

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I need to implement the Facebook LOVE/HAHA reactions just for Alice's commentary on here. For the record there are no other admins this season, but lots of passionate players who like to debate, and that's one of the things I enjoy most about the site. Don't ever feel the need to engage into every thread though, especially if you feel like you are starting to repeat yourself, the site is all for fun and I'll definitely read through every comment and point made. -nyan

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2017 Jul 18
Yeah, I get super into the debate here but at the end of the day, I'm here for the fun and appreciation of GOT. That said, I am also always right ? -alicehanners

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2017 Jul 19
(Except when I'm wrong) -alicehanners

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2017 Jul 19

49:18 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Sam does some late night studying with his pirated JSTOR copies of the restricted Maester books. (Special)

50:32 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Sam begins writing a raven letter to Jon to inform him of the cache of dragonglass buried beneath Dragonstone. (Special)

Episode 2: Stormborn

8:35 (+3) Missandei:

Missandei gives a lesson on Valyrian gendered pronouns in ancient prophecies: "Your Grace, forgive me, but your translation is not quite accurate. That noun has no gender in High Valyrian, so proper translation for that prophecy would be 'the prince or princess who was promised will bring the dawn'. (Special)

29:52 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Samwell mentions that he has potentially found a treatment option for Jorah Mormont's greyscale in a book. "I found the procedure in a study of rare diseases by Archmaester Pylos". (Special)

31:52 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Samwell opens up Archmaester Pylos' tome on Rare Diseases, which contains the instructions for the Greyscale treatment he is to perform on Jorah. (Special)

Episode 3: The Queen's Justice

31:03 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei pours out a glass of wine for her Braavosi visitor, Tycho Nestoris of the Iron Bank. (Special)

50:08 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Archmaester Ebrose: "It's a meticulous, difficult procedure. Many Maesters whose chains are heavy with healing links have attempted it and failed. Yet you succeeded. How?"
Sam: "I read the books and followed the instructions." (Special)

Episode 4: The Spoils of War

6:35 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei pours herself a glass while discussing the delivery of Tyrell gold to Tycho Nestoris of the Iron Bank. (Special)

39:38 (+3) Bronn:

Bronn: "Get back to King's Landing."
Jaime Lannister: "I'm not abandoning my army."
Bronn: "You're the commander, not a damn infantryman. Those fuckers are about to swamp us." (Special)

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"Get back to King's Landing. You are the Commander and not a damned Infantry-man. Those F* are about to swamp us!" -Ser Vincent

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2017 Aug 10 hindsight44 and jayson.the.pirate like this
Also any update on Bronns special? He has talked alot of about fighting in episodes 4 and 5. I can think of two instances in both episodes. -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 14
This one was added, though it does feel like a slight dropping of the bar. In keeping with the spirit of previous Bronn scores, I think there is some aspect to Bronn's fighting expertise/experience that went into all his score-worthy lines, which you can see in his previous scores here: http://fantasora.com/char/23/

Like with Jorah's "encyclopedia of Essos" special, there was definitely this facet of their character where they would launch into their expertise of this area and give these specific comments that you would never hear from any other character. Examples:

* "Now that is a sorry attempt at a siege. *Someone needs to teach those sad twats how to dig trenches*."

* "Have your lads start digging perimeter trenches. Set pickets every hundred yards. And work double-time on those siege towers and trebuchets."

* "You want to learn that sort of fighting? ... *All right, let's start with your footwork...*"

* "A cloak slows you down in a fight, makes it hard to move quietly. And the gold catches the light, so you're nice and easy to spot at night."

I've added in the line here because it could be argued that the statement "those fuckers are about to swamp us" is a keen military insight that is unique to Bronn. But personally I can just as easily imagine the line being said by a Randyll Tarly or a random Lannister foot soldier. -nyan

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2017 Aug 18

Episode 5: Eastwatch

46:49 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Sam reads from a book as he transcribes it onto a fresh set of paper, before handing it over to Baby Sam. (Special)

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Episode 7: The Dragon and the Wolf

4:14 (+3) Bronn:

Bran reviews the defensive preparations for Daenerys' armed arrival to King's Landing.

Bronn: "Oil?"
Lannister soldier: "Pitch, my lord."
Bronn: "How many barrels?"
Soldier: "500, my lord."
Bronn: "Get 500 more." (Special)

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