Submitted Events for GoT: Season 8
Kills
Initial Kill of Ned Umber.
submitted by imonaship12 (rejected: not shown on-screen, undetermined killer)
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So the Night King special is for converting into a white walker (like he did with the Craster baby way back in S3 or S4). Generally new wights aof of named characters would count as followers (a la Karsi after the battle of Hardhome), but that was a case where we saw the Night King raise her from the dead on-screen.
I could back making an explicit special, "The Night King is assumed to gain a follower for every named character turned into a wight." -nyan
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I dont think it's fair to assume the Night King himself turned Umber or any off screen turn. In s7 e6 when Jon kills a WW multiple undead died bc that specific WW was the one who turned them. Which means any WW couldve turned Ned Umber. -hindsight44
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Fair point. I suppose it would be hard to argue which WW turned Ned based on what was shown. -mikepersicoiii
It was mentioned and then bodies were shown indicating that together, Drogon and Rhaegal killed 29 goats and sheep. I think with the current ruleset, this is 58 points split evenly between the two, so 29 per dragon. (I know it seems iffy to count charred corpses as kills, but it has established precedent: https://fantasora.com/event/1962)
submitted by stevenorum (rejected: not on screen and not goat bones significant enough)
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So here's what's been decided in the past (see https://fantasora.com/rulebook):
> Kills of animals are counted, so long as the animal has a "significant" role in the scene. Precedents for the definition of "significant":
> Scene focus on animal prior to kill: Arya's pigeon kill (S1E9); Drogon's sheep kill (S4Ex)
> Failed signifigance criteria: Dragons' fish kills in S4Ex
If we had gotten a scene of Drogon/Rhaegal actually roasting or tearing apart live goats I think it'd be totally deserving, but something feels off about giving 58pts for a shot of them nibbling at some goat bones, and having it based on a number thrown out there in dialogue, at that. -nyan
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That's true, 58 points seems quite excessive. However, I feel like some points are warranted considering they threw out a very specific number -niketbp
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I'll add this as an example in the rulebook criteria, the few goat bones not counting as "significant". I think anytime it's just a number in dialogue and we don't see the kill, we'll want the to raise the bar to make the points feel worthy. -nyan
We learn that 18 goats and 11 sheep were roasted by the dragons. Twice previously, the dragons have earned points for killing a ram offscreen. Since we don't know who killed what, the two dragons should probably share the points evenly.
submitted by dlapato (rejected: not on-screen and goat bones not significant enough)
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Theon Greyjoy:
Theon kills a member of Euron's crew as he leads a squad of Ironborn on a rescue mission to save his sister Yara Greyjoy.
(Kill of Unnamed Character)
submitted by kevinreading66 (approved!)
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Original submission: "Theon and his team board the boat to save Yara, 4 arrows are used to kill people working on the boat. The camera then cuts to Theon and his team with Theon at the front with his bow and arrow cocked, surely he deserves some points for these kills?"
There were actually 5 kills and on-screen we see a squad of 4 (including Theon). Given the scenario I've scored 1 for Theon (Euron's men were killed in quick succession, so presumably they all landed their shots).
For future references, I *would* say this is a bit of a grey(joy) area, with the fudged assumption that they didn't have time to reload much, so Theon must've landed his first shot. If there were 5 arrow kills and Theon had boarded with 20 goodmen, I don't think he would have gotten any points. Similar for 200 arrow kills and 20 men shooting, or if we saw arrows flying around and missing. These scenarios would put enough plausibility that Theon did not land his shots.
The scoring criteria wants to see strong attribution happen on-screen, else we have submissions like "Tormund and Jon were like 2/10 of soldiers in the Battle of Bastards at this point and there's a pile of 150 bodies around them, clearly they did 20% of those kills". It ends up cheapening the points for legitimate kills the characters do 1:1. -nyan
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Also so much for having a crew of elite mutes who can't warn each other in the event of a surprise attack, eh Euron? -nyan
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Arya Stark:
Arya stabs the Night King with the valyrian steel dagger Cat Claw, precisely in the spot that dragonglass was thrust into his chest in order to create him. The Night King falls as does his entire army of wights and white walkers, directly as a result of this.
submitted by Jamiemurraytait (rejected: dupe)
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Arya Stark:
If Arya is to be given points for killing all of the dead army, I think the scoring for this event should be counted for killing the entities themselves (named characters), rather than kill-per-wight, as the entire Dead Army is destroyed.
The characters killed:
- NK (+10)
- Viserion (+10)
- 4 draftable White Walkers (+40)
- Wights Army (+10)
- Wight Giants (+10)
Score change ---> -900 + 80 ---> -820 (given the 900 is the correct amount counted for this event)
The characters killed:
- NK (+10)
- Viserion (+10)
- 4 draftable White Walkers (+40)
- Wights Army (+10)
- Wight Giants (+10)
Score change ---> -900 + 80 ---> -820 (given the 900 is the correct amount counted for this event)
submitted by amitelran2110 (rejected: not compatible generally with the rest of scoring, unless Jorah, Theon, Brienne et. al. should get downgraded to 0 kill points.)
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Daenerys Targaryen:
[Proposition] Nerf the dragonriders. Dragon kills should be removed from scores for Daenerys, Jon Snow, and the Night King
(Kill of Unnamed Character)
submitted by nyan (rejected)
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@loganhuff that was my bad, an old Special description was left on team roster pages that appeared post-draft. However the description for the Night's King stating named followers has been there on the homepage. character page, and all draft pages since the site redesign around January, so I don't think this should have misled anybody during drafting. I can get how this may have confused people for what they got post-draft, though. -nyan
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In retrospect this was a mistake, Dragonrider points are not a mechanic that made the fantasy game fun, and I was holding onto it too much for legacy and "make characters worth their importance on the show" reasons. That said, this was put out at the beginning of the season and can't be retracted as all leagues made their picks with this as a known criteria. -nyan
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Maybe dragonriders should get a fraction of the kills then? That way people who picked the characters in anticipation of them collecting these points aren't totally screwed but then it isn't unfairly weighted in favor of the top 2 picks (Dany and Jon). There is definitely room to balance this better still while keeping most people happy. Just leaving it as is doesn't solve anything. -codyandrew77
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Daenerys Targaryen:
I believe that in cases of mass-killing approximations, the scoring of this kind of events should be regarded in a more sporting manner, in order to preserve leagues' competitiveness and fun. A general scoring would be more appropriate for mass-event such as this, such as 30-50, especially in this kind of estimations.
That regards characters such as: Drogon, Rhaegal, Daenerys, Jon Snow, Viserion, Wight Army, Wight Giants, etc.
That regards characters such as: Drogon, Rhaegal, Daenerys, Jon Snow, Viserion, Wight Army, Wight Giants, etc.
submitted by amitelran2110 (rejected: cleaning up for more specific discussions)
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30-50 points for mass killing is far too low in my opinion. Tormund got 27 points just for staring at Briann in episode two. Mass killing should certainly be worth far more weight than this. -zllsports31
The scoring for this episode is obviously going to be hard but the dragons getting hundreds of points kinda takes away the fun of the league. What’s the point of playing if there’s no chance unless you have a dragon? I think everyone fighting should get 50 base points since everyone killed hundreds of wights. Most characters were fighting the entire episode. When the dragons blow fire it’s impossible to see how many they actually kill so I think it would make it more fair if everyone fighting got base points just for fighting. Special for this episode.
submitted by kschamber (rejected: only on-screen kills will count, freebie points dilute the game)
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HERE YE MY PROTEST
Dany gets points for her dragons; Arya gets points for all the wights that died after she killed the Night King; and yet Night King gets NO points for either Viserion or the actions of the non-sentient Wight Army WHO HE REANIMATED and who killed hundreds if not thousands including named characters.
This event rectifies this grave injustice. Points breakdown:
New followers:
* If Arya's getting points for killing 340+ wights, NK deserves a helluva lot more for raising the ENTIRE WIGHT ARMY. The normal +3 points for a new army just DOESN'T cut it
* named characters e.g. Qhono
Kills
* Credit for all 157 kills the Wight Army had -- JUST LIKE DANY GETS CREDIT FOR HER DRAGONS
Politics
* Credit for all 12 points the Wight Army had in the same episode
I estimate at least 500 additional points for NK, thus my figure.
Dany gets points for her dragons; Arya gets points for all the wights that died after she killed the Night King; and yet Night King gets NO points for either Viserion or the actions of the non-sentient Wight Army WHO HE REANIMATED and who killed hundreds if not thousands including named characters.
This event rectifies this grave injustice. Points breakdown:
New followers:
* If Arya's getting points for killing 340+ wights, NK deserves a helluva lot more for raising the ENTIRE WIGHT ARMY. The normal +3 points for a new army just DOESN'T cut it
* named characters e.g. Qhono
Kills
* Credit for all 157 kills the Wight Army had -- JUST LIKE DANY GETS CREDIT FOR HER DRAGONS
Politics
* Credit for all 12 points the Wight Army had in the same episode
I estimate at least 500 additional points for NK, thus my figure.
submitted by righteous (rejected: jump into Discord for further discussion/citations)
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This needs to happen. He was a wasted pick at this rate. -robertjheckman
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Agreed, as the NK's special scoring while drafted appeared as per reanimated wight (regardless of known/unknown character). -amitelran2110
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No chance. Viserion maybe but he got fuck all points anyway. I would of had The Night King as my first pick if he got points for the AotD, as would a lot of people, so it’s unfair to add that in now. The Night King also wasn’t riding his army. -danfantasyleague420
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You should consider give max kills value (for example 10 points per strike) and not thousand kills because it making the game unfun anymore
submitted by andrey.k (rejected: philosphically opposed to Point caps - join us on Discord for more discussion!)
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Mass kills should get points for each named character killed, but should be capped for unnamed characters (e.g., 10 points). Otherwise it just completely kills this competition, and makes the league considerably less fun. What's even the point of going after someone with political/drinking/sex skills if a single character can earn hundreds of kill points in less than a minute? Also, this would end issues with inexact counting? Did Drogon burn 158 people, or 275? Who cares, he's getting 10 points for the mass kills.
submitted by sperlingjason (rejected: philosphically opposed to Point caps - join us on Discord for more discussion!)
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Wight Giants (extras):
Maybe not sufficient clarification, but the last shot we see of Qhono alive, during the Dothraki charge, is him staring up at a White Giant as it charges straight into him.
submitted by conor_finlay (rejected: not shown on-screen)
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Can’t post photos here from my phone but I’ve sent them on discord. -conor_finlay
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These are the last two frames both from Qhono's perspective and the giant's. Unfortunately it cuts off before any action, we just see Qhono looking scared in general: https://imgur.com/a/G1Bzuny -nyan
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Wight Army (Extras):
How de we feel about the slaughter of the dothraki horde? It's technically on screen so I think it should be worth something, considering only a handful came back. Sorry, I do feel bad submitting this, I understand this is probably a nightmare of an episode to score
submitted by Jamiemurraytait (rejected: see thread)
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Yea it’s understandbly tough because normally with a pile of dead bodies you can’t be sure which character killed them, but considering it was the wight army (and one giant) that were killing the humans, it doesn’t matter which specific character killed them, so long as we agree it would have been a wight. i think it’s reasonable to say that any definitively human corpse (in dothraki or unsullied gear especially) was killed by the wight army but i can understand the giant needing points as well. Definitely difficult but so many kills seem like they could go unaccounted for -schaar1986
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Any further clarification on this one? Feels like most are in agreement the Dothraki horde was killed at the hands of the wight army (plus the wight giant) and it feels like hundreds of deaths that are going unaccounted for unless they are added -schaar1986
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This will not be scored, on the basis of it happening off-screen to the extent that it is impossible to get any count on how many Dothraki were killed and specifically by which group. Body counts have not historically been used as a kill count proxy in battles, it dilutes on-screen events and overall leads to a boring scoring experience.
The kills for Arya and the Dragons, as well as all the on-screen Wight kills, have now been added, and you can take a look at the screenshots for these to understand the benchmark is for "on-screen, and attributable". In retrospect I should have held off on publishing any kinds of scoring/estimates so that new users could get a feel for this rather than everyone debating from a different baseline. -nyan
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Wight Army (Extras):
The Wright Army wipes out the entire Dothraki Army
submitted by kelseylawniczak (rejected: dupe)
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Wight Army (Extras):
Per rulebook: you get points when your character dies.. weighted points should probably be given to wight army(extras) and giant wight army(extras) as thousands of them are dead.
submitted by TheNightQueen (rejected: Wight Army has an explicit character description to say they don't count for the Deaths category)
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I believe that since they are treated as a single entity/character (army or giants), the Wight Army, as character, is considered dead only in case the entire Wight Army is destroyed. Same for giants.
I do think they should get points for regular character Death though. -amitelran2110
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Wight Army (Extras):
I didn't see points awarded to the wights for injuring Arya (bashing her face into the wall).
submitted by brendan.hamme (rejected)
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Good call, there's probably "Minory injury to Named Characters" that should be scored for pretty much everyone who participated in the battle. I'll do a pass to add all of these in. -nyan
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Also, points when characters die should be awarded to all wight army (extras) and wight giant army (extras)? - at least for those whom we have seen as dead? -TheNightQueen
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This minor injury has now been added for every combatant who took a hit. It wasn't scored for people who died, or for people who didn't seem to do any fighting, namely Davos and all the Crypt people. -nyan
25:35
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Wight Army (Extras):
As Grey Worm watches, the Wight Army advances on the front lines of the doomed Unsullied last stand. (Approximate count, will return to tabulate exact number).
(Kill of Unnamed Character)
submitted by nyan (rejected: no deaths on-screen)
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I feel like this is under-counted. -brendan.hamme
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Agreed -schaar1986
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So after rewatching I think this actually counts for 0 points - it's dark and murky to begin with but I spent quite a few passes on this scene to track individual groups of soldiers... and I don't think a single Unsullied ever falls (the wights don't either, for that matter). The choreography is kind of lazy but in terms of the scene, it's just a bunch of people shoving each other back and forth.
Here's a kind of crappy streamable loop, if anyone spots an Unsullied actually getting killed in this scene, comment and we can change this: https://streamable.com/r1c65 -nyan
28:48
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Melisandre:
Five wights are engufled in flames as fire from a section of the trench overflows onto their position. (Inexact count, will revisit)
(Kill of Unnamed Character)
submitted by nyan (rejected)
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On second watching, the wights are not all that close to the trench in this scene, and I don't think the overflow spot I was looking at actually had any wights. -nyan
34:09
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Melisandre:
The first two wights sacrifice themselves onto the burning palisade trench.
(Kill of Unnamed Character)
submitted by nyan (rejected: Melisandre kills only counted for initial ignition)
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Why does Melisandre get these points when it was the Night King who instructed them to impale themselves? -christinamwong
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Definitely a fair question, Melisandre is getting scores for any wights caught unawares by the initial ignition but doesn't really have anything to do with the wights laying themselves down. Will move this to submissions. -nyan
34:09
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Melisandre:
Eighteen more wights sacrifice themselves to build a bridge over the burning palisades and allow the Wight Army to make it across.
(Kill of Unnamed Character)
submitted by nyan (rejected: Melisandre kills only counted for initial ignition)
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Same comment: Why does Melisandre get these points when it was the Night King who instructed them to impale themselves? -christinamwong
35:33
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Melisandre:
It's Black Friday and the wights cannot hold their place in line, as 7 wights jump the counters and continue piling onto the flaming trench even after a nice not-burning path has been established.
(Kill of Unnamed Character)
submitted by nyan (rejected: after ingition, trench is a passive obstacle and does not contribute active kills for Melisandre)
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Sadly as much as I liked this description, per the other Melisandre scores the wight kills won't count after the initial ignition. -nyan
44:09
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Wight Army (Extras):
Arya walks past a Northern soldier who lays dead outside the library.
(Kill of Unnamed Character)
submitted by nyan (rejected: requiring on-screen action for Battle kills)
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Unsure about whether to count this class of "kill" in general - since the Wight Army is an entire group character and are the only combatants, it seems obvious that they would have killed this one. However I'd like to avoid having to count every massive pile of bodies outside, where there's a lot more uncertainty (how do we know this pile doesn't include people killed live?) and I also don't want my eyes to bleed out of my sockets. -nyan
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As sympathetic as I am to your bleeding eyes, I think it's only fair to count these as kills. I'm fine with subtracting the number of kills we see live from the ultimate body (pile) count though to go to your double counting concern. -brendan.hamme
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45:29
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Wight Army (Extras):
Arya enters the Winterfell library, where she a group of wights and a Northern soldier laying dead on the ground.
(Kill of Unnamed Character)
submitted by nyan (rejected: dupe for now)
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I'd reconsider this. -brendan.hamme
47:14
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Arya Stark:
Arya turns a corner and runs into a wight in the library. She stealthily stabs it through the throat before she can be noticed.
(Kill of Unnamed Character)
submitted by nyan (approved!)
75:58
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Arya Stark:
90 wights fall in the Godswood after Arya kill the Night King keeping them animated.
(Kill of Unnamed Character)
submitted by nyan (approved!)
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@nyan - I'm sorry, but I still don't understand.
The crossed out "commanded kills" is irrelevant as it's crossed out.
I've carefully read this category once again, and it clearly states "indirect kills are no longer counted".
This Arya's scene is nothing else than an indirect kill...
Also, even if you regard it somehow as "direct" kill, than the killed characters are:
1. Night King
2-5. The 4 draftable White Walkers
6. Wight Giants
7. Wight Army
8. Viserion
The entire of the Wight Army (which is a draftable character) is destroyed, not single wights...
However, that's still a violation of the rulebook, so I don't think it really matters.
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The wights on the show are characters that will count as a kill each, it is independent of what is made draftable for the fantasy game. Otherwise, you couldn't count any of Brienne's or Jorah's kills since they didn't finish off the entire army.
I have updated that section of the Rulebook to reclarify that section (and also added sections XII and XIII to make the on-screen and attributable explicit criteria). In the context of that line, indirect = commanded. "Indirect" has not been used with any other definition in the context of fantasy scoring in previous seasons. -nyan
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- I understand a specific wight kill as part of fighting.
But, given the entire Wights Army had been destroyed as a result of the Night King's kill, it stands out as a whole entity. That regards the entire Wight Army character, as the relation of the wights being connected to the Night King as "Wight Army" (according to the series) is what destroyed the army.
- I think that the scoring should be updated according to the rulebook, and not vice-versa...
- Regarding Arya's commanded/indirect kill - the written terminology is very clear, I can't state it better than written really...
I can't seem to understand a reason for approving this scoring given it's highly controversial and destroys the leagues. -remi.kdu
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77:55
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Wight Army (Extras):
After facing an onslaught of wights converging on Daenerys, Jorah succumbs to his wounds, having successfully defended his Queen.
(Kill of Named Character)
submitted by brendan.hamme (approved!)
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0:00
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Cersei Lannister:
Kill of a named character - Missandei (in similarity to Joffrey/Ilyn Payne precedent).
submitted by remi.kdu (rejected)
0:00
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Euron Greyjoy:
Kill of a named character - Rhaegal.
Euron not explicitly shown as shooting the arrow, implied as the commander of the fleet (first shooter).
Euron not explicitly shown as shooting the arrow, implied as the commander of the fleet (first shooter).
submitted by remi.kdu (rejected: kills orchestrated)
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This was discussed here; the decision so far is that there were 3 bolts, a lot of Scorpions, and nothing that really indicates Euron had shot one of those 3. https://fantasora.com/event/4581
He did get political points for "Kills Orchestrated" though, in the political category. -nyan
0:00
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Euron Greyjoy:
Euron shooting ballistic arrow on Greyworm's ship, causing multiple kills.
submitted by amitelran2110 (rejected)
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So I was watching the scene and if you take Euron's shot as the first one, it actually sails over Daenerys' ship and misses it. It's possible it strikes another ship or something in the background but it'd hard to definitively attribute Euron's bolt vs the others. -nyan
Willa bangs Tormund
submitted by alicehanners (rejected)
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Wait no that’s not who I thought it was -alicehanners
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Yeah according to the wiki it's *another* character they decided to name Willa. -nyan
53:57
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Euron Greyjoy:
Euron and the Iron Fleet ambush Daenerys Targaryen's fleet on their way to Dragonstone, shooting Rhaegal out of the sky from their ship-mounted Scorpions.
(Kill of Named Character)
submitted by nyan (rejected)
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You'll hate me for brining it up again but is this not almost exactly the same as the dothraki discussion? We don't directly see who exactly made the killing blows, and you set precedence for not awarding killing points if there was ambiguity when giving credit for the kill. Imo crediting the wights for the dothraki kill is a lot less ambiguous than this situation. -Jamiemurraytait
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It's definitely very fair, that precedent is exactly what I'm thinking of in not awarding this to Euron. Euron might still get the downgraded "Kills Orchestrated" political credit in that case (5pts instead of 10pt, and in the political category). -nyan
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That seems fair, fosho -Jamiemurraytait
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Daenerys Targaryen:
[Daenerys dragonrider nerf] Per the previous discussions in E3, we won't be removing Daenerys' dragonrider scores but I wanted to open up a discussion thread in light of this episode, to get ideas on designing better scoring rules in the future.
If you removed all of Drogon's kills, Daenerys would be left with ~48 points this episode - which would put her in 3rd place. (Kill of Unnamed Character)
If you removed all of Drogon's kills, Daenerys would be left with ~48 points this episode - which would put her in 3rd place. (Kill of Unnamed Character)
submitted by nyan (rejected)
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You can see that the highest ranking teams in episode five scored over 3800 in that episode by having both dany and drogon on their team. But in the standings no one is over 3500 points which suggests that the episode 5 totals are mismatched between the two. -cna984
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@cna984 you might be looking at the "Ep. Stats" table which shows you the raw stats from the episode (where the top teams are all Daenerys/Drogon pair owners), where Huge Harry Potter Fan leads with 3918. This is mostly informational.
The scores used for standings are in the "Ep. Roto" table - these are the roto-percentile scores where you are awarded based on the percentile rank of your stats for the week (from 0-100). delet this is the leader this week with 785 in that.
"Categories" shows the sum of all your roto-percentile scores from every episode. And "Roto" is the same roto-percentiles, but organized in what you scored week-to-week.
Sorry this is confusing, there's definitely a better UI that could be used to present this but it kind of got lost in building all the different views. -nyan
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@nyan okay thank you for responding, again I see the point there -emilien.raggi
19:42
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Daenerys Targaryen:
to Tyrion: "The next time you fail me, will be the last time you fail me."
(Threat)
submitted by nyan (rejected: weak line)
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DO IT ALREADY FFS 🤦 -Lem Lemoncake
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38:21
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Daenerys Targaryen:
Drogon and Daenerys wipe out two Lannister soldiers atop a building in a drive-by fireblasting.
(Kill of Unnamed Character)
submitted by nyan (approved!)
Political Wins
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Daenerys Targaryen:
The Lady of Winterfell surrenders the City to Danaerys. "Winterfell is yours your Grace." -Sansa
Dany got a new city
Dany got a new city
submitted by hindsight44 (rejected: this was just a courteous greeting from Sansa)
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Jon gave her the city -redcatscar
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This is a little weak and IMO goes against the transitive property idea for followers (you get who is directly following you but don't automatically get their followers - a similar idea ought to apply for lands/castles or you could assign all the keeps of the North to Daenerys as well). Clearly, Sansa is still the one in charge of Winterfell. -nyan
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I see what you're saying. In Episode 1 Ned said to Bobby B Winterfell is yours. It was still Neds city. -hindsight44
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Even if John promised her the city, Sansa's statement is confirmation that Dany indeed gained control -kimberly.ramia
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I don't think Dany has control of the city. It's still very much Sansa's -k.molseed
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Sam tells him about his true heritage which gives him the title of heir to the throne
submitted by olinnbroderick3 (rejected: will wait for Jon to take action.)
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I don't think that's really official yet - it'll happen if Jon decides tot take it. -nyan
Jon finding out his true parentage. Could argue that at this point Sam and Bran are the secret/information holders, Jon learned this information in private and is now the only other to have this information.
submitted by the_catherine316 (rejected: dupe - approved)
Argue that Jon gained a title with the realization of his true parentage? "You're the true King. Aegon Targaryen, 6th of his name, Protector of the Realm, all of it "
submitted by the_catherine316 (rejected: dupe)
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Samwell Tarly:
Could argue Sam convinced Jon about his true parentage/title? Jon was a little resistant to it at first but Sam explained why Ned did what he did and by doing so convinced Jon it's the truth.
submitted by the_catherine316 (rejected: will wait for Jon to take action)
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I think Sam could get these points if Jon actually decides to seize the throne or break with Daenerys. But we'll have to see something happen first. -nyan
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Eddison Tollett:
Unbeknownst to the rest of the world. Ed Tollet and company discover House Umber has been slaughtered. An important ally in the North.
submitted by hindsight44 (rejected)
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This is information but I would argue it's not very useful information - the group talks about heading down to Winterfell but it's just to be in time for the battle, not necessarily to warn Jon or alert anyone about what happened at the Last Hearth. And everyone knows the White Walkers are coming. See the rulebook under Discovery of Secrets. This is a grey one though, I'm not saying it has no merit. https://fantasora.com/rulebook -nyan
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I think it meets the 3 criteria, it's rare, its concrete and it's useful.
House Umber is one of the great houses of the North. When designing a battle plan to defend Winterfell it would be good to know whether or not one of your great houses is going to show up.
E.g. in this weeks episode when the Glovers wrote to Sansa that they were bailing both her and Jon were visibly upset they weren't going to "stand with house stark." I think it's fair to say there will be an equal reaction to the Umbers. -hindsight44
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Going to rule against this and err on the side of "it's stuff that should have plot impact". I think the original intention here was stuff like discovering Joffrey is a bastard, this episode Jon finding out he's really Rhaegar's son, etc. -nyan
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Precedent #1 of Secret discovery is Ed Tollet finding out Bran is alive. I dont see how him discovering Bran being alive impacted the story at all. -hindsight44
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Oh, thanks for bringing that up. I remember this was a whole long rabbit hole of discussion and sometimes I'm reaching back to older S5/S6 criteria and not remember we had decided on new rules. For context: https://fantasora.com/event/3128
Based on this convo, I think we had decided that "has the power to distribute or maintain the secret" was a big thing, it's reasonably but a little weaker here with 3 named characters to all share the discovery. Bran Stark's existence (last remaining male Stark, also strange warg powers and prophetic knowledge) is a much bigger plot than Ned Umber's non-existence (a few hundred less soldiers will make it to Winterfell?) -nyan
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Lyanna Mormont:
"You left Winterfell and King and came back a......."
submitted by mtaylornorton (rejected: insult line added - https://fantasora.com/event/3952)
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Not sure this counts as a special or political victory, but insult seems reasonable. -jedjackoway
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The full line: "But you're not. Are you? You left Winterfell a king and came back a- I'm not sure what you are now. A lord? Nothing at all?" -nyan
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I would personally say the Lyanna gives a mean delivery but the line itself has very little creativity to it. Then again this is probably in line with where the bar has been in the past. -nyan
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Harry Strickland:
Agrees to deal with cercei.
submitted by atnorton (rejected: deals brokered is for 3rd parties (Euron in this case))
Gets ridden by new character (Jon snow).
submitted by lcerny91 (rejected: duplicate)
Rhaegal accepts Jon as a dragonrider as they take flight for the first time.
Jon: "I don't know how to ride a dragon."
Daenerys: "Nobody does. Until they ride a dragon." (New Follower/Prisoner)
Jon: "I don't know how to ride a dragon."
Daenerys: "Nobody does. Until they ride a dragon." (New Follower/Prisoner)
submitted by nyan (approved!)
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This is not explicitly in the rules, but I was thinking of setting this as a precedent - the first time a dragon and dragonrider pair up, it will be scored like a New Follower event for both. It's a bit like two characters agreeing to form an alliance. Any thoughts or protests to this? -nyan
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Actually I forget that I did make it explicit for Rhaegal. Do people feel Jon is deserving of similar points for this? -nyan
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It's kind of like acquiring a new weapon in a sense? -the_catherine316
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I think we'd need to see if this happens again. I'm not sure riding him once is significant. -alicehanners
Rhaegal accepts Jon as a dragonrider as they take flight for the first time.
Jon: "I don't know how to ride a dragon."
Daenerys: "Nobody does. Until they ride a dragon." (New Follower/Prisoner)
Jon: "I don't know how to ride a dragon."
Daenerys: "Nobody does. Until they ride a dragon." (New Follower/Prisoner)
submitted by nyan (approved!)
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I looked and no barrel rolls - the closest we got was Rhaegal doing a hard 90-degree banked turn. -nyan
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shouldn't there be points for a new rider? -n.goffredo2
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Yes, he's supposed to get points any time he has a new rider. -k.molseed
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This has been added in! https://fantasora.com/event/3886 -nyan
Jon finds out his true lineage as the trueborn son of Rhaegaer Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, and potentially the rightful King of the Seven Kingdoms.
Sam: "I had a High Septon's diary. Bran had... whatever Bran has. ... Your mother was Lyanna Stark. And your father - your real father - was Rhaegar Targaryen. You've never been a bastard. You're Aegon Targaryen, true heir to the Iron Throne." (Secret Discovery)
Sam: "I had a High Septon's diary. Bran had... whatever Bran has. ... Your mother was Lyanna Stark. And your father - your real father - was Rhaegar Targaryen. You've never been a bastard. You're Aegon Targaryen, true heir to the Iron Throne." (Secret Discovery)
submitted by cereith717 (approved!)
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The Night King has Ned Umber reanimated as a wight in the ruins of the Last Hearth.
(New Follower/Prisoner)
submitted by nyan (approved!)
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Making this explicit in the Night King specials: "Any named character re-animated as a wight is assumed to be his follower (unless shown as re-animated by another character)" -nyan
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Sansa Stark:
She convinces/overrules Bronze Yohn Royce when he says they should shut the Winterfell gates. Sansa determines that they will stay open as long as possible to allow the peasants to enter.
submitted by gravesalex0 (rejected: not significant enough of a decision. also not as much opposition from Lord Royce)
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Podrick Payne:
Overrules an order from Brienne and drinks a whole glass of wine.
submitted by conor_finlay (rejected: not a major political decision)
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First of all, if anyone makes this decision it's Tyrion. Second, disobedience is not an executive decision. -jedjackoway
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Fair enough on the second point. Tyrion doesn’t force him to drink it though, it’s Podricks decision. -conor_finlay
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jedjackcoway = nonce -Jamiemurraytait
Jon and Brienne both concinvce Dany to Spare Jaime Lannister
submitted by hindsight44 (rejected: not a significant convince - Brienne did most of it)
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Shouldn’t Sansa get credit too if Jon ends up getting points? -olinnbroderick3
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Jon didn't agree until she heard out Jon.
-the_catherine316
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We'll keep this category for people who are making the significant arguments, and Brienne was really the one who made the difference. -nyan
By definitively being Warden in the North Winterfell is now Jons
submitted by hindsight44 (rejected: dupe - approved)
When Beric, Tormund & the Edd arrive at Winterfell, Jon is told something along the lines of "Anyone that isn't here now fights for the dead". Surely this is a political win for the Night King considering this leaves us to believe that pretty much the rest of the north is now dead (for example, the Glovers)
submitted by robertjheckman (rejected: not really specific and not shown on screen, winning the Last Hearth was already credited)
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Would of been a big detour to get to the Glovers before reaching Winterfell -conor_finlay
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Daenerys addresses Jon as Warden of the North when asking his opinion on the Jaime Lannister matter, confirming his new position under his regime.
(New Title)
submitted by hindsight44 (approved!)
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Also these are in the rules:
Titles are like WWE championships - points are awarded for each title gained and re-gained (e.g. losing and winning titles repeatedly makes you an 8x WWE Intercontinental Champion. Holding and defending the title for 8 years still just counts as 1x)
-hindsight44
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I might be wrong, but wouldn't it be a reduced title from king in the north to warden of the north? -imonaship12
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I think if we get really technical about it, King in the North and Warden of the North are mutually exclusive - you can only be Warden for a reigning monarch, which implies you're not King in the North. Per the WWE criteria, any title change counts even if it sounds like a demotion (one could argue it's a smaller fish in a bigger pond scenario). -nyan
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Arya Stark:
Arya the hero of Winterfell! Everyone cheered, she didn't seem to be around.
submitted by palecekc (rejected)
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This was for episode 4 as well. -palecekc
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What category would it score under? Unlike Gendry I don't think she got a title out of it. -nyan
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You're right, I was thinking just being called Hero of Witnerfell, but if that's not political win enough then I wouldn't think it would count. Maybe in another category. -palecekc
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Brienne of Tarth:
Should Brienne get victorious battle points? She was the commander of the left flank and it says large battle scenes would be broken down.
submitted by the_catherine316 (rejected: that's not even a moral victory)
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No way was that a victorious lol -conor_finlay
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All the human commanders scored basically zero points on the Quaffle and then Arya got the Snitch at the end. -nyan
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Melisandre:
According to the following category: "+3pts Convincing Argument (Changing a character's mind on a major issue)", believe Melisandre should get points for guiding Arya to kill the Night King: “Brown eyes, green eyes—and blue eyes."
submitted by amitelran2110 (rejected: convincing requires opposition)
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Melisandre:
+5 Kill of named character (orchestrated) - guiding Arya to kill the NK "brown eyes, green eyes - and blue eyes".
submitted by amitelran2110 (rejected)
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This is a new category which hasn't been scored yet, but think of it as like an ordered/delegated kill - Joffrey ordering Ilyn Payne to kill Ned is the classic example. The Kill very much came down to Arya's skill, Melisandre did not contribute much if anything besides a one-liner pep talk. -nyan
Re-animated the dead after being confronted by Jon Snow (should match all the kills up to that point, along with the corpses in the Crypt) [New Follower/Prisoner]
submitted by merc3690 (rejected: clarified specials)
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I truly understand that none happened intentionally.
However, there must be awareness to this issue... It really affects the people who chose the NK based solely on his special reanimation scoring, before any dragon or Wight Army.
Since this is a result of the platform's interface - meaning, the drafters couldn't know anything else - the fair thing to do is to give the NK the expected points based on what he was picked for. -amitelran2110
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@amitelran2110 I'm sympathetic to letting leagues opt-in to something like this, but unfortunately the site doesn't have functionality to manually apply scores to some leagues but not others. -nyan
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I think that in this case the fair thing is to update all leagues.
I'm participating in two leagues: one in which I have NK, and one in which I don't. I truly say it from the "fair" & "sporting" perspective, not from the "I want points" perspective.
Especially given it's a highly drafted character. -amitelran2110
57:03
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Cersei Lannister:
Cersei lies to Euron that she is pregnant with his child.
"When the war is won, the Lion shall rule the land, the Kraken shall rule the sea and our child shall one day rule them all." (Act of Betrayal)
"When the war is won, the Lion shall rule the land, the Kraken shall rule the sea and our child shall one day rule them all." (Act of Betrayal)
submitted by al.maymanet (approved!)
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for episode 4 -al.maymanet
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This would be a betrayal? I could buy that. -nyan
Varys betray Daenerys.
He declared that he is only loyal to the reign and supporting that Jhon to will be the king
He declared that he is only loyal to the reign and supporting that Jhon to will be the king
submitted by yarden.s (rejected: counted for E5 when concrete actions are taken)
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We'll wait for Varys to actually commit an act of betrayal. Doubting your leader is not a crime by itself. -nyan
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He’s discussing treason, I think it counts -alicehanners
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Yara Greyjoy:
In the War Council meeting, Varys mentions that Yara Greyjoy has retaken the Iron Islands.
(Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)
submitted by braden.morehead (approved!)
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Tyrion Lannister:
Tyrion convinces Davos seaworthy to leave the dingy for Jaime to use to smuggle out Cersei. He says he won’t like doing it, but it’s later confirmed to be there.
submitted by ryanmcfarlane09 (rejected: Davos didn't really object)
Qyburn convinces Cersei to flee the Red Keep as Drogon unleashes his destruction.
submitted by okaymkay (rejected: not really an important decision)
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Daenerys Targaryen:
Daenerys orders Drogon to execute Varys after discovering his betrayal.
"Lord Varys - I, Daenerys of House Targaryen, first of my name, Breaker of Chains and Mother of Dragons, sentence you to die. ... Dracarys." (Kill of Named Character (Orchestrated))
"Lord Varys - I, Daenerys of House Targaryen, first of my name, Breaker of Chains and Mother of Dragons, sentence you to die. ... Dracarys." (Kill of Named Character (Orchestrated))
submitted by nyan (approved!)
Insults Delivered / Funny Lines
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Bran Stark:
When Sam asks Bran what he’s doing outside, Bran responds with “Waiting for an old friend”. This is a funny line/witty insult geared towards Jaime.
submitted by dtsantise (rejected)
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Will try to work on more feedback options, this one didn't feel very insultey or that funny. -nyan
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Tyrion Lannister:
Tyrion was given 3 pts for telling Varys "at least your balls won't freeze." So I think he should definitely get at least 1 pt for his reply to "for someone who gets offended by dwarf jokes, you sure have an easy time making fun of me," and he says, "that's because I have balls." I'm paraphrasing, so I'm sorry.
submitted by michaelboehnlein2 (rejected: This joke is just too stupid. I refuse to score it.)
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Lyanna Mormont:
I don't remember exactly but I know she told off Jon Snow in this episode.
submitted by rtyger8 (rejected: dupe - https://fantasora.com/event/3952)
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cool. I missed it early on. Glad it was scored once. Thank you -rtyger8
10:34
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Lyanna Mormont:
to Jon Snow: "You left Winterfell a King and came back a - I'm not sure what you are now. A lord? Nothing at all?"
(Witty Insult)
submitted by ani (approved!)
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LYANNA FOR THE THRONE -chefshwasty
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Pretty sure Lyanna should get bonus points for putting John in his place -palecekc
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15:12
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Sansa Stark:
to Tyrion, for thinking Cersei would honor the agreement to support them with the Lannister Army: "I used to think you were the cleverest man alive."
(Witty Insult)
submitted by gravesalex0 (approved!)
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Came here to add this, this is 1000% a sick burn. -alicehanners
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33:11
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Daenerys Targaryen:
(before Jon rides Rhaegal)
Jon: "What if he doesn't want me to?"
Daenerys: "Then I’ve enjoyed your company, Jon Snow" (Funny Line)
Jon: "What if he doesn't want me to?"
Daenerys: "Then I’ve enjoyed your company, Jon Snow" (Funny Line)
submitted by krystataylor14 (approved!)
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Was about to submit this -hindsight44
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Could also argue she convinced Jon to ride -hindsight44
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Absolutely a funny line -kimberly.ramia
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I liked this line, A+ -alicehanners
37:27
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Arya Stark:
The Hound: "You left me to die."
Arya: "First I robbed you." (Witty Insult)
Arya: "First I robbed you." (Witty Insult)
submitted by k.molseed (approved!)
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I could back this -the_catherine316
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So, will this be scored? -k.molseed
"You're a cold little bitch aren't you? I guess that's why you're still alive."
(Witty Insult)
submitted by sweetsarah025 (approved!)
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Bran Stark:
What about when Bran says, “the things we do for love” to Jaime Lannister in the beginning of the episode? Seemed like a pretty good burn to me!
submitted by annieheinle (rejected: not enough support)
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0:00
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Tyrion Lannister:
Offered and poured glasses to other people. In addition, he overflowing a cup of glass and disobey lady Brienne order.
submitted by guy.v (rejected)
0:00
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Davos Seaworth:
When Davos first enters the hall, he is asked if he wants any wine and he refuses. He came in for the fire.
Davos: I figure I could wait freezing my balls off out there or die nice and warm in here
Davos: I figure I could wait freezing my balls off out there or die nice and warm in here
submitted by windtalkermx (rejected: not enough support)
0:00
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Davos Seaworth:
Davos refuses to drink wine when first offered, but after seeing Tormund drink from his horn, he replies “maybe I will have that drink”
submitted by windtalkermx (rejected: not enough support)
Beric Dondarrion: "The Lord of Light has brought us together all the same. This is his moment. When light-"
Sandor: "Thoros isn't here anymore, so I hope you're not about to give a sermon. Because if you are, the Lord of Light's gonna wonder why he brought you back 19 times just to watch you die when I chuck you over this fucking wall."
I know this has already been scored as a threat, but should it not be counted as a funny line aswell? Or are there rules against things being scored for more than one reason?
Sandor: "Thoros isn't here anymore, so I hope you're not about to give a sermon. Because if you are, the Lord of Light's gonna wonder why he brought you back 19 times just to watch you die when I chuck you over this fucking wall."
I know this has already been scored as a threat, but should it not be counted as a funny line aswell? Or are there rules against things being scored for more than one reason?
submitted by conor_finlay (rejected: lines only count once, even if they could be considered both insulting and funny (it's often both))
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3:09
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Daenerys Targaryen:
to Jaime Lannister: "Your sister pledged to send her army north... I don’t see an army. I see one man with one hand."
(Witty Insult)
submitted by blangslet (approved!)
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34:58
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Tyrion Lannister:
to Jaime: "I wish father were here. I would love to see the look on his face when he realizes his two sons are about to die defending Winterfell."
(Funny Line)
submitted by nyan (approved!)
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36:17
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Tyrion Lannister:
Brienne: "We didn't meant to interrupt, we were just looking for someplace warm to-"
Tyrion: "-to contemplate your imminent death. You've come to the right place." (Funny Line)
Tyrion: "-to contemplate your imminent death. You've come to the right place." (Funny Line)
submitted by nyan (approved!)
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36:29
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Brienne of Tarth:
Brienne relents and allows her squire to have a drink.
Brienne: "I don't think that's wise - the battle might start at any moment."
[Podrick sad look]
Brienne: "Half cup." (Funny Line)
Brienne: "I don't think that's wise - the battle might start at any moment."
[Podrick sad look]
Brienne: "Half cup." (Funny Line)
submitted by nyan (approved!)
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36:29
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Tyrion Lannister:
offering wine to Podrick: "Do you want some of this piss? It's not bad. It's not good either."
(Funny Line)
submitted by nyan (rejected: not enough support)
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After learning that Gilly is pregnant and they intend to name it Jon if it is a jon. Jon says I hope it's a girl
submitted by Zaibin and Aadil (rejected: scored here: https://fantasora.com/season/68/subunit/4)
Sandor calls beric a whore when called to continue fighting
submitted by Bensbannas (rejected)
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I think it's too late to rebalance and the Hound already has a bunch of fun specials. But "swearing in uncalled-for situations" would've been a good Special for him. -nyan
Varys sighs at his fate while waiting out the Battle of Winterfell: "At least we already in a crypt."
(Funny Line)
submitted by yarden.s (approved!)
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Crypts* lol -ryanmcfarlane09
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I'll count this if people really like but I gotta say I'm really disappointed with Varys' lines after rewatching his sassy S1-2 prime days. -nyan
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I really liked it. -brendan.hamme
30:34
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Tyrion Lannister:
"You might be surprised at the lengths I'd go to avoid joining the Army of the Dead. I could think of no organization less suited to my talents."
(Funny Line)
submitted by ryanmcfarlane09 (approved!)
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I'd also add that Sansa literally responds 'witty remarks won't save you' -ryanmcfarlane09
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31:11
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Tyrion Lannister:
Tyrion: "Maybe we should have stayed married."
Sansa: "You were the best of them."
Tyrion: "What a terrifying thought." (Funny Line)
Sansa: "You were the best of them."
Tyrion: "What a terrifying thought." (Funny Line)
submitted by ryanmcfarlane09 (approved!)
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The Hound sees Arya riding towards him and throws his jerkey to the ground.
“For fuck sake.”
(ridiculously funny moment)
“For fuck sake.”
(ridiculously funny moment)
submitted by conor_finlay (rejected: below bar)
Glasses of Wine Consumed
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Tyrion Lannister:
He shows in every scene with a glass of wine, doesn't it count to multiple glasses? (Same as basic seat each scene)
submitted by guy.v (rejected)
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After the first scene, there's only Jaime drinking after a refill in scene 2 and Podrick drinking at the last scene. Everyone is holding around their cups but not doing much drinking, surprisingly! -nyan
0:00
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Tyrion Lannister:
He Toasts to Ser Brianne Knight of the Seven Kingdoms and takes a drink after the knighting.
submitted by kschamber (rejected: didn't actually drink)
0:00
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Davos Seaworth:
Davos drank wine along with the rest of the group. (right after Arya's sex scene he's seen holding a cup and afterwards he goes to pur himself another but the pitcher is empty
submitted by Lerrer's heir (rejected: didn't drink on screen)
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if Davos received point this episode for remembering shireen (obvious to the viewer, but not 100% confirmed on screen by words) he should get points for this one for the same obvious deduction -Lerrer's heir
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There's a few criteria laid out for drinking in the rulebook:
> An on-screen sip, or some evidence of consumption (e.g. before/after scene shows the wine level in the cup dropping) is needed. A shot that cuts away before the cup touches the character's lips doesn't count.
Mainly the idea here is to give credit for the on-screen drinking, and not have a feasting scene with an assumption "everyone at the table has a cup in front of them, drinking points for all!" -nyan
0:00
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Tormund Giantsbane:
drank the whole thing of wine
submitted by sofiazbv (rejected: approved dupe)
38:27
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Tormund Giantsbane:
Tormund shotguns his entire horn of "giants' milk" as it pours down all over his beard to the dismay of Davos and others.
(Glass of Wine Consumed)
submitted by alicehanners (approved!)
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Surely this also counts as more than one glass lol -conor_finlay
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0:00
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Bronze Yohn Royce:
- Toasting for Gendry's promotion at the feast.
- Toasting for Daenerys & Arya at the feast.
- Toasting for Daenerys & Arya at the feast.
submitted by amitelran2110 (rejected: no drinks)
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Timestamps:
- 11:18
- 14:50 - 15:05 -amitelran2110
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I took a look at both of these but Lord Royce simply lifts his glass up to toast, he doesn't come particularly close to drinking. Even Gendry himself didn't get a drink point for his scene since the camera cuts off of him while he's just holding a glass. -nyan
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Apparently it wasn’t willa -alicehanners
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Oh my god mobile absolutely blows when it comes to commenting, I see how that other thing happened. Clicking comment scrolls up the page -alicehanners
12:31
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Tormund Giantsbane:
Tormund glugs straight from the pitcher during the Feast of Winterfell.
(Glass of Wine Consumed)
submitted by fenrojas (approved!)
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Acts of Intercourse
Implied sex with Dany at the waterfall
submitted by olinnbroderick3 (rejected: No.)
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No. -imonaship12
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41:13
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Jorah Mormont:
Jorah gently caresses the Khaleesi's elbow as he points out where Samwell is in the library.
(Act of Intercourse)
submitted by nyan (approved!)
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https://i.imgur.com/fUTxeXL.jpg Look at this screenshot and tell me it isn't the definitional image of a man fighting to keep the blood flowing to his brain -nyan
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This has been added as a new Special for Jorah: Scores in the sex category for any physical contact he has with Daenerys -nyan
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Grey worm got points for the kiss and missandei didn't, it takes two to tango
submitted by Jamiemurraytait (rejected: Kisses don't count for sex, with the exception of special scoring like Grey Worm's)
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Grey Worm has a special for this. Missandei does not, nor should she. -jedjackoway
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nonce -Jamiemurraytait
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It was a warm fuzzy moment since it was a goodbye kiss not just a regular kiss. -kschamber
Count for both Gendry and Arya. After the initial scene where Arya takes Gendry on the sacks, there is a later shot where Gendry and Arya are seen in bed together in a new location. Another implied sex scene?
submitted by the_catherine316 (rejected)
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This seems like the epilogue of the same sex act, unless there's something to point to them having had multiple sessions. -nyan
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There wasn’t a bed by the sacks they initially started on. So I would think they did it again once they got to the bed. -kschamber
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They are actually still on the sacks in that scene: https://i.imgur.com/OXKxLSu.jpg -nyan
0:00
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Tormund Giantsbane:
Tormund leaves with Willa, putting her drink down and going to make whoopie
submitted by alicehanners (rejected)
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Not Willa, apparently -alicehanners
After being spurned by the Hound, Sarra finds solace in the background with Podrick to become the third leg of the Tripod.
(Act of Intercourse)
submitted by alicehanners (approved!)
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And the other actress was draftable too. Excelllent. -nyan
65:39
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Jaime Lannister:
Jaime sits brooding in front of the fireplace after a 2nd night with Brienne, reflecting on how one just can't go back to non-incest after hitting that high-grade sibling kush.
(Act of Intercourse)
submitted by nyan (approved!)
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65:43
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Brienne of Tarth:
Brienne wakes up from bed after a 2nd night with Jaime, only to find he has disappeared into the night.
(Act of Intercourse)
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I think it strongly implied they did -conor_finlay
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I don't know about this. I think if this scene was shot in the morning when it was light, you wouldn't just assume they had done the deed. Just because they were sharing a bed isn't strong implication of deed doing. -Jamiemurraytait
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Especially if you are going to give jaime for "I've made a huge mistake" assuming he's done it again is a bit contradictory hahaha -Jamiemurraytait
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I'm mostly going off Brienne being nude, they probably have pajamas if they're regular sleeping? -nyan
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Rule IV: Scenes where characters are nude in bed are counted as implied sex. -okaymkay
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So would Rule IV cover Jaime aswell? He’s not naked in bed but Brienne didn’t shag herself. -conor_finlay
Kills Commanded (deprecated)
0:00
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Cersei Lannister:
Cersei commands the Mountain to kill Missandaei with a look
submitted by powderkeg.bds (rejected: dupe)
A Game of Thrones
0:00
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Jorah Mormont:
Basic Seat for Jorah sitting at the council while Jaime's reception.
submitted by amitelran2110 (rejected: he is sitting at the side tables, we decided not to score these as the chars are not visible)
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At 2nd thought, I'd might even consider at as "Seat of Power" (+3 points), as he's a part of a council. -amitelran2110
4:55
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Brienne of Tarth:
Brienne scoots her seat backwards as she gets up to defend Jaime in the court of Winterfell. Alys Karstark, seated next to her, is stationary, proving that they are sitting on individual seats and not a bench!
(Basic Seat)
submitted by nyan (rejected)
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I put this in pending to discuss further refining the criteria - I want *some* part of the chair to be visible for this category. Otherwise there's like +12 more characters who are seated in this scene that we have to account points for. (We got away with this one in S8E1 because it appeared the court of Winterfell was all seated on benches). -nyan
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Okay, the Game of Thrones category is dumb but not this dumb. Visible chairs required! -nyan
0:00
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Brienne of Tarth:
Tyrion, Jaime, Brienne, and Podrick sit at a table while they play their drinking game.
submitted by okaymkay (rejected: benches aren't thrones)
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Because I wanted to make this a game of pedantic rules, thrones are single-seat chairs and they were all sitting on benches. -nyan
0:00
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Tyrion Lannister:
Tyrion, Jaime, Brienne, and Podrick sit at a table while they play their drinking game.
submitted by okaymkay (rejected: benches aren't thrones)
0:00
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Jaime Lannister:
Tyrion, Jaime, Brienne, and Podrick sit at a table while they play their drinking game.
submitted by okaymkay (rejected: benches aren't thrones)
0:00
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Podrick Payne:
Tyrion, Jaime, Brienne, and Podrick sit at a table while they play their drinking game.
submitted by okaymkay (rejected: benches aren't thrones)
Deaths
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Ed Sheeran:
(Whores talking in front of Bronn about Lannister men being burned by dragons) "That boy Eddie..." "The ginger?" "That's him. Came back with his face burnt right off. He's got no eyelids now." "How does he sleep with no eyelids?"
submitted by power.suit (rejected: didn't die but I did love this reference!)
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oops he didn't die -power.suit
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Ed Sheeran:
https://popculture.com/tv-shows/2019/04/16/game-of-thrones-revealed-fate-ed-sheeran-character-premiere/?fbclid=IwAR0traeHiZ26SNNEnKmmeexLhKV8hWmblStny3ExF1UnphPLVM8xvfnW9nw
Ed Sheeran was mentioned as having face burned off in battle with Lannister army against Danny & Drogon! (see attached article) He is Ginger Eddie!
Ed Sheeran was mentioned as having face burned off in battle with Lannister army against Danny & Drogon! (see attached article) He is Ginger Eddie!
submitted by albertesp (rejected: not dead)
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Good catch but I think from what they describe, he is severely injured but not dead.
"Came back with his face burnt right off. He's got no eyelids now. How does he sleep with no eyelids?" -nyan
54:11
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Lyanna Stark:
Jon Snow and Daenerys look upon the statue of Lyanna's tomb in the crypts of Winterfell, as Jon explains the story of his parentage.
(Dead Body Appearance)
submitted by power.suit (approved!)
Dueling with Rhaegal and then Drogon in aerial combat, the Night King is thrown off Viserion's back and Viserion soon after has his neck snapped by Drogon.
(Death)
submitted by codyandrew77 (approved!)
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I think this is missing points for seeing Viserions dead body. And didn't he die when Arya killed the Night King? -codyandrew77
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75:56
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Top-Knot White Walkers:
The White Walker lieutenants explode into ice shards in a chain effect after the Night King falls to Arya's stab.
(Death)
submitted by kelseylawniczak (approved!)
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Definitely! -brendan.hamme
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So I kind of screwed with these characters cause I thought all the White Walkers would end up having huge roles, so I said we would treat them like the Wight Army for all White Walkers who matched their hairstyles (and then not count deaths to compensate). Since all the White Walkers ended up doing jack squat, I'm okay to revert this and give them these pity death points. -nyan
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I thought they would have a bigger role too, that’s why I picked them up for this episode! -kelseylawniczak
Missandei is beheaded by the Mountain atop the ramparts at King's Landing, after delivering her final words - "Dracarys."
(Death)
submitted by codyandrew77 (approved!)
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*lopped. Lobbed means threw. -vjdev2015
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🤾 -nyan
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Points for dead body? -codyandrew77
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Dead body appearances don't count for the death scene. -nyan
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0:00
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Ser Boros Blount:
Ser Boros is killed by Sandor Clegane or crushed by debris while escorting Queen Cersei during the Battle of King's Landing alongside the other remaining Kingsguard. Let's get some representation for our boy Ser Boros Blount. It's not like it matters anyway with Arya and Drogon.
submitted by jimmy.tague (rejected: The show kind of forgot that named Kingsguards existed)
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I was scrolling through the wiki and saw that someone counted this. Initially I thought this was a bit iffy since Boros has not been mentioned at all since S4 (six years ago - whew!), and Cersei's Queensguard seemed to have gotten a makeover at some point (or maybe they just rebranded to the Mountain's armor style). I'm not sure that Boros is still a member of the Queensguard at this point, but there's probably not a definitive answer here since the writers apparently don't care that there existed a world with Houses and names. Same thing basically happened with all of Daenerys' bloodriders.
I'm good with counting this either way, if there were any other opinions. -nyan
11:53
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Cersei Lannister:
Tyrion finds Cersei's and Jaime's bodies in the rubble beneath the collapsed Red Keep
(Dead Body Appearance)
submitted by jedjackoway (approved!)
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Special
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Bran Stark:
Proposed new Special: Bran scores when he introduces himself to a scene by staring at people.
(Special)
submitted by nyan (rejected: individual scores added)
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Is this one approved? -josh.radde
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Yep we'll do it. Let me go back and count them all up! -nyan
0:00
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Cersei Lannister:
Should cerci get any credit for “act of betrayal” for agreeing to help against the white walkers, then not doing it? Or hasn’t she officially betrayed them yet?
submitted by krmcgill102 (rejected)
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This was scored for Cersei back in S7E7: https://fantasora.com/event/3764 -nyan
0:00
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Jaime Lannister:
Euron referenced incest with Jaime to Cersei - "how do I compare to the kingslayer?"
submitted by kdaven92 (rejected)
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This was scored for Cersei - Jaime and generally other characters will need to be present for their "referenced" scoring specials. -nyan
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Where does it say that the character must be present for the referenced scoring specials? I am looking and can't find it -powderkeg.bds
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Not sure if this was changed recently, but his special rule states "when someone (excl. Cersei) references incest with Cersei or his childrens' bastardy directly to him" (though I have Jaime so am definitely in favor of him getting points for this :P) -niketbp
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This is a bit buried, but generally for all the "references to..." the character needs to be there. This avoids issues around characters being long dead or not even appearing in an episode and getting points for many seasons after: https://fantasora.com/rulebook -nyan
Does Jon Snow not get points for riding a dragon for the first time?
submitted by hoovdc17 (rejected: added https://fantasora.com/event/3885)
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Also if Dragons are considered weapons, didnt jon just get a qeappn? -hindsight44
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*weapon -hindsight44
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Feels like followers are the right thing here vs. weapon. Wouldn't want to objectify the gorgeous beasts! -nyan
Argue Jon riding Rhaegal is kind of like Jon acquiring a new weapon?
submitted by the_catherine316 (rejected: dupe)
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Samwell Tarly:
Should Sam get special points for referencing the diary he took from the citadel when telling Jon who his real parents are? That's pretty much saying "I read it in a book"
submitted by ssleppy (rejected: dupe - this was added)
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Theon Greyjoy:
Euron references Theon's missing manhood to Yara when she's his captive. He says something about how them two (Yara and Euron) are the only Greyjoys left with balls.
submitted by trisha.97 (rejected: dupe, see: https://fantasora.com/event/3933)
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Theon Greyjoy:
(19:51) Euron Greyjoy remarks that he and Yara are the only Greyjoys left with any balls, referencing Theon's missing manhood.
submitted by johnpburke1997 (rejected)
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Theon (and other characters with reference specials) will need to be present to score them. -nyan
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Theon Greyjoy:
When Euron is talking to Yara on the ship, he says "... we're family... the last Greyjoys left in the world. The last ones with balls anyway."
submitted by laurashbu (rejected)
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I see someone else suggested this before I did and it was denied. I get how it could become tedious to count references like this, but it's not really specified that he needs to be in the room when his castration is referenced in his Specials. Maybe this is specified elsewhere for references? -laurashbu
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This is a bit buried, but generally for all the "references to..." the character needs to be there. This avoids issues around characters being long dead or not even appearing in an episode and getting points for many seasons after: https://fantasora.com/rulebook -nyan
Forging a dragon glass axe is an act of blacksmithing.
submitted by bgp123 (rejected: dupe)
0:00
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Lyanna Mormont:
Lyanna lays into Jon at the introduction meeting asking what are you and chastising for his leaving. Seems to be the only one who does so and, as her special suggests, this would be putting an adult in their place.
submitted by bgp123 (rejected: she tried but did not succeed)
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This should count as an insult. -whitmorealec
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I would say the insult was more when she said "But you're not.. I don't know what you are." (paraphrased) -alicehanners
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The insult line was added, they ended up in a stalemate and it was Lyanna who sat back down, so we'll say she tried but was ultimately not successful in putting Jon in his place. -nyan
0:00
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Lyanna Mormont:
Puts Jon in his place while talking in Winterfell's great hall.
submitted by imonaship12 (rejected: dupe)
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Lyanna Mormont:
"You left Winterfell a king and came back a...I'm not sure what you are now. A lord? Nothing at all?"
submitted by mfrate28 (rejected: insult added)
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Lyanna Mormont:
Putting John in his place
submitted by mtaylornorton (rejected: dupe)
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Lyanna Mormont:
Lyanna dared to call out Jon and Dany. She reminded him that he left a king and came back merely a lord !!
submitted by kathyoreilly5 (rejected: dupe)
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0:00
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Lyanna Mormont:
I don't remember it exactly, but pretty sure Lyanna put Jon in his place
submitted by niketbp (rejected: dupe)
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0:00
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Ed Sheeran:
It was heavily alluded to that Ed Sheeran's eyebrows were melted off by Drogon (though he still survived), in the brothel scene with Bronn. That's gotta count for something.
submitted by whitmorealec (rejected: didn't die and nothing else scoreable here)
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I was really keen on this, I had hoped they would drop a line about how "he used to sing such great songs" or something! -nyan
Rhaegal and Drogons meal of 18 goats and 11 sheep is shown blackened on the ground. Have they received points for this?
submitted by ssleppy (rejected)
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0:00
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Wight Army (Extras):
Wight army should have scored Special points for the boy nailed to the wall reanimating as a wight
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This was not scored because it's not very definitive who killed Ned Umber since it happened off-screen. It could have been the Night King, or the Wight Army, or another individual White Walker. https://fantasora.com/event/3927 -nyan
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Does it matter who killed him? Their special is for scenes where whights reanimate. Even if he was killed by a random dog, the special score seems earned. -jedjackoway
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Ah I see. In this case it would still be not counted since Ned is a character and not an extra. But good call, I'll need to keep an eye out for this next episode. -nyan
41:30
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Jorah Mormont:
Jorah reunites with Sam and they talk about his former Greyscale condition.
Dany: "The man who saved Ser Jorah when no one else could."
Jorah: "They could. They just wouldn't." (Special)
Dany: "The man who saved Ser Jorah when no one else could."
Jorah: "They could. They just wouldn't." (Special)
submitted by nickg (approved!)
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46:31
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Samwell Tarly:
Sam mentions the book he found out Jon's lineage from: "Bran and I worked it out. I have a High Septon's diary, and Bran has... whatever Bran has."
(Special)
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EXCELLENT catch @dtsantise! -nyan
Ned Umber is impaled on the wall of his keep, surrounded by a spiral of bloody body parts.
(Special)
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I'd vote against the proliferation of specials that are so loosely tied to actual appearances/direct references to the character. -jedjackoway
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Tormund straight up says "It is a message from the Night King." -craigdietz20
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This one didn't seem to get a lot of support but I'll add it actually. @jedjackoway that's a very good line of thought about new proposals, and generally it doesn't feel worthy to give points when characters are not even there (this is why the "references to..." Specials generally don't count if the characters aren't in the scene).
In this case my feeling is that this would be a good stat to count if there were generally a "Team White Walkers" draftable group (like team defenses for NFL fantasy). With the lack of characters, I think the Night King was drafted by many people as a stand-in for that. This also is hopefully not too OP (I expect we see this 1-2 times at most), especially for a character that's already top-tier. -nyan
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0:00
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Arya Stark:
Arya is asked by the Hound if Beric was on her list and she responds 'for a time' should count as a reference to her list.
submitted by ryanmcfarlane09 (rejected)
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(/assuming she can't fight) -Jamiemurraytait
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That’s a good shout Jamiemurraytait. Seems pretty fair and not too op’d -conor_finlay
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I'd like to get it to something more specific "every time she is underestimated in a fight" is kind of wishy-washy (I also don't think there are too many more chances for it to happen). Something agility based? Something around when she dodges a blow? (but each time would be too OP) -nyan
0:00
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Arya Stark:
Arya puts on a new faceless man disguise for Gendry. Her O-face.
submitted by jayson.the.pirate (rejected)
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lmao I can't believe you done this. 😂 -nyan
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A girl has no O-face. A girl wasn't satisfied. -craigdietz20
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'Whose your daddy?!" "No One" -klov3r
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0:00
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Bran Stark:
"He’ll come for me," Bran says of the Night King. "He’s tried many times before with many Three-Eyed Ravens.”
“Why? What does he want?” Samwell Tarly asks.
"An endless night. He wants to erase this world. And I am its memory," Bran says.
If this isn't special...I don' t understand what the special points are all about...
“Why? What does he want?” Samwell Tarly asks.
"An endless night. He wants to erase this world. And I am its memory," Bran says.
If this isn't special...I don' t understand what the special points are all about...
submitted by rtyger8 (rejected: not active warging)
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Bran's special is more for actively warging - controlling ravens, seeing a vision, etc. This was him talking in vague terms about the Night King. -nyan
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Brienne of Tarth:
When Tormund arrives at Winterfell he refers to Brienne as "The big woman". Referencing her size/attractiveness.
submitted by the_catherine316 (rejected: Brienne must be present for references)
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Brienne of Tarth:
After Tormund reports back to Jon Snow, he says "The big woman still here?" This is reference to Brienne's size.
submitted by okaymkay (rejected: references need character present)
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Daenerys Targaryen:
Daenerys styles in a fresh white fur coat and white fox scarf when talking with Jon Snow in the crypt.
submitted by blangslet (rejected: same coat)
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I think this is the same coat she opened the season with, actually. -nyan
She should get points for the kiss with Grey Worm because it was a goodbye kiss and might be the last time they ever see each other. Grey worm gets special points for it but they should both get feels points as well
submitted by kschamber (rejected: there's an argument but not quite at the arbitrary line for feels)
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Ghost was a part of that warm and fuzzy moment. He has saved both Jon and Sam's life and has fought along the NW as long as Jon was in the NW. I dont think it's a coincidence that the scene designed to show the last members of the NW put Ghost in the scene. Who hasnt seen screen time in over two years.
submitted by hindsight44 (rejected: at least pet the pupper or something gosh)
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There was nothing warm/fuzzy about Ghost’s presence imo, he wasn’t even acknowledged -conor_finlay
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I wish Jon had at least patted him on the head. I feel like they put him in the scene afterward -alicehanners
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0:00
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Samwell Tarly:
Sam giving Heartsbane to Jorah.
submitted by angelmg16 (rejected: scored for Feels)
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Davos Seaworth:
Davos serving soup and is taken back by a little girl. The little girl seems to be burnt/ scarred similar to Sheeren (the scene is implying that the little girl is making him remember the little princess).
submitted by angelmg16 (rejected: Davos' special is for "invoking Shireen's name")
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Tormund Giantsbane:
Staring at Brienne
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submitted by IPKOB (rejected: thanks for the timestamps - ultimately subjective but a lot of these we'll consider just normal looking at a person and not the )
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As Arya is approaching Gendry gives someone a dragonglass battle axe. The same way he got points for giving an axe to the hound last episode.
submitted by hindsight44 (rejected: not active blacksmithing, not a special axe)
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I think the Hound's axe was counted as something prominent/special (they spend a few lines of dialogue talking about it, and Hound gets New Weapon points). This seems to be a random axe and a random guy. I'll add "creates a prominent weapon for someone" to Gendry's specials if that makes it more explicit. -nyan
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Gendry received points for making obsidian arrowheads and another arbitrary act of blacksmithing from last episode. I dont see how the axe this time is any different. -hindsight44
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Is it even confirmed that Gendry made the axe though? Could of been someone else and Gendry’s just handing it over. -conor_finlay
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Andl if Tormund is going to points *per second* for staring it's not unreasonable to separate each act of blacksmithing and keep his special what it originally was. -hindsight44
Tests dragon glass axe on wooden stump 10:24
Inspecting 3 dragon glass spear tips 10:35-11:09.
Inspecting 3 dragon glass spear tips 10:35-11:09.
submitted by yarden.s (rejected: not active blacksmithing)
15:42
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Podrick Payne:
Podrick impresses in a sparring session on the training grounds at Winterfell.
Jaime: "He's come a long way."
Brienne: "He's alright. Still has a lot to learn." (Special)
Jaime: "He's come a long way."
Brienne: "He's alright. Still has a lot to learn." (Special)
submitted by nyan (approved!)
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This is added as a new Special for Podrick: "surprising people with how good he is at a task" -nyan
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He's supposed to get points for failing at basic tasks not succeeding! Now you're just changing the entire character... -brendan.hamme
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If this is a new special, I believe he should get points for singing also. I realize he already got points for the song as a warm fuzzy moment, but it should count as another 3 for his special -coreymarkhembree
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Podrick's singing has been additionally scored under this special as well! https://fantasora.com/event/4135 -nyan
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23:25
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Sansa Stark:
Sansa eyes well up as Theon arrives to Winterfell with the Ironborn to pledge his services.
(Special)
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Shouldn't Sansa get points for Ironborn followers too? -brendan.hamme
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Follower points are for named characters only, and also not transitive. You could make a vague argument that they are a "new army" for Sansa but there's like 20 of them. -nyan
25:55
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Tormund Giantsbane:
Tormund greets Jon with a bear tackle and calls him "My little Crow."
(Special)
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Per feedback Tormund's special was adjusted to mentions of "Crows", not the outdated "killing Crows". -nyan
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46:20
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Tormund Giantsbane:
Tormund looks at Brienne while talking to her about knighthood in the Seven Kingdoms. (11 cumulative seconds)
(Special)
submitted by nyan (rejected: looking at but not "staring into soul")
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I put this one as a little questionable - in these scenes he is mostly talking and looking at her like a normal person, not really "staring into her soul" like in the previous scene. -nyan
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wtf, he gets points per second? this is insanely OP for a character whose narrative largely surrounds his infatuation with Brienne -alicehanners
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^ this. there needs to be a hard cap at like 5 points per scene -ryanmcfarlane09
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i think this is fine. the special was known before the season started.
characters were drafted based on stated specials; bending them now changes things as his character would have been drafted much lower on avg. if the special wasn't currently as is. -nartuv1
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We'll keep some of a bar on Tormund ("staring into soul" not just "looking at"). As nartuv1 said, no point caps since this is a character whose special was already known, and also I'm just fundamentally opposed to point caps as a balancing mechanic. -nyan
47:27
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Tormund Giantsbane:
Tormund stares at Brienne from the background throughout her knighting ceremony (15 cumulative on-screen seconds).
(Special)
submitted by nyan (rejected: looking at but not "staring into soul")
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This one is sort of letter of the rule but not sure it's in the spirit of it. He's mostly in the background and his "stare" is not all that different from the stares of Pod, Davos, and Tyrion who are all witnessing the scene. It's a little wishy-washy but it probably doesn't meet the "staring into soul" bar. -nyan
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if were going to give points per second the bar for what constitutes starting into someones soul needs to extremely high. -ryanmcfarlane09
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51:37
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Podrick Payne:
After he gets passed over by the group as Tyrion Lannister entreats a song, Podrick surprises the group with his rich and moving rendition of the ballad, "Jenny of Oldstones".
(Special)
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to Daenerys: "So the last thing she did as she bled to death on her birthing bed was give the boy to her brother Ned Stark - to raise as his bastard."
(Special)
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Now that he knows he's no longer a bastard, Jon is free to start throwing out the b-word with no shame! -nyan
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"And that bastard....WAS ME!!!" -power.suit
Not sure where else to ask this, but how come direwolves are not draftable characters? Like Ghost, or even Nymeria if she happens to make an appearance in the next few episodes? Thanks.
submitted by iris.hsu (rejected)
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Just for historical reasons, they were always bundled in with their characters before this season. At this point I think it'd be fine to add both of these in, it's fairly low probability they appear or make any big waves. Like with Daenerys, the original characters would keep the Special to double-up on their scores, in fairness to the owners who originally drafted them due to those specials. -nyan
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Nymeria and Ghost have now been added as characters! You can sign them in Salary leagues or drop a character to pick them up in Draft leagues. -nyan
Ghost lost his ear, major injury to Ghost is major injury to Jon. Even though Jon is a shitty owner that abandons him.
submitted by hindsight44 (rejected)
The Hound fought and killed wights while the being confronted with fire (dragon fire, trench fire) ... until he hid in the corner. Does Beric's sword count too?
submitted by stefanik62 (rejected)
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I agree his kills before the dragons enter shouldn’t be doubled but anything between that and him retreating to the castle should be surely? -conor_finlay
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I'm looking at the scene with Tormund (I think) and I don't see Sandor anywhere in it - it's the ball-kicking one, right? https://fantasora.com/event/4180
If this were the Hound in this shot instead of Tormund, with dragonflame going up around him, then I think yes we should score that. -nyan
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Yeah, he’s not in that scene specifically but we know from the shot at the start of the battle that the Hound is right next to Tormund and Beric so he’s in close proximity of Tormund (and the fire) for sure. If the fire has to actually be visible in a scene with the Hound (red glow not counting), then fair enough though. -conor_finlay
Originally, the Night King had special scoring for raising dead bodies/entities to the dead army, rather then just raising named characters.
While drafting characters, this special scoring was mentioned for the Night King as part of his special scoring.
It's misleading that this special scoring had changed, as it played a major reason for picking him in the draft.
Please do reconsider scoring this.
While drafting characters, this special scoring was mentioned for the Night King as part of his special scoring.
It's misleading that this special scoring had changed, as it played a major reason for picking him in the draft.
Please do reconsider scoring this.
submitted by amitelran2110 (rejected: dupe - see https://fantasora.com/event/4405)
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Screenshot image: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/330497891586015232/572546387921862676/IMG_1003.PNG
(There are people that chose the NK based on this special scoring, even as #1 pick. This issue should be taken into account) -amitelran2110
8:33
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Melisandre:
Melisandre lights up the arakhs of the Dothraki horde before they charge into battle against the undead army.
(Special)
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I wasn't a fan of this previously as it's a bit generic for a special. But basically if people want to give scores for something that encompasses this and shadow babies in the past. -nyan
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this feels fair she had a MAJOR impact on the battle -ryanmcfarlane09
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I'm generally opposed to adding new specials after the fact (see Podrick). -brendan.hamme
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@ryanmcfarlane09 did she though, all those Dothraki got dusted like 2 minutes later -nyan
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I guess not the Dothraki fire spell - but the trenches lighting on fire arguably saved everyone in the castle from being overrun and dying by buying them more time -ryanmcfarlane09
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Points should be awarded for her spells just because of the impact she had on the battle. I agree. -robertjheckman
16:00
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Beric Dondarrion:
Beric is first seen with his flaming sword. However his Special is specifically about "igniting" his sword, which we never get a scene with. Leaning towards a reject on this.
(Special)
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How else did it get fired up? I think it's safe to say Mel didn't do it. -prognar
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We can probably assume he did it, but not sure it gets scored if he never does it on-screen. Generally the more assumed/freebie scores given out for off-screen events, the more it starts to cheapen the points for what actually gets shown. -nyan
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Beric's special should change to simply 1 point per second for flaming sword on screen -nickg
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It's safe to say Beric ignited his sword.
No mention that the ignition itself should be specifically visible. -amitelran2110
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Consistent with past scorings and biasing for wanting to see things "on-screen", this will only count for on-screen ignitions. -nyan
29:26
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Wight Army (Extras):
After Melisandre lights the trench, 18 wights stare back through the flames with their glowing blue eyes.
(Special)
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Another thought is that we can just count the eyes, reviving scene or not. I'd put an emphasis on GLOWING blue eyes in that case, and count the impressionable things like the wight Arya stabbed in the library, or the blue eyes glowing through Melisandre's flames, and not just be counting auto-points because wights are onscreen and have eye sockets. -nyan
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Okay, I'm pretty wiped at this point just to get all the new image feature (!!!) and dragon counts up. It's going to take a few more hours or probably til tonight to get to this since I have regular work, but we'll count up glowing blue eyes and have it replace revivals. It's a much better Special, and there's the nice side effect (though not a good reason) that the counts will match up better for people who mistakenly thought every revived wight would get a point.
This is assigned to ~90pts (30 sets of glowing eyes) as an estimate, I'll have the exact count when I do Arya's wight kills. -nyan
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Okay, this is now added in with an additional specifier:
Short: "sets of blue eyes staring silently at a humans"
Long: "sets (one or two eyes) of glowing blue eyes staring at a human character without taking actions (e.g. not attack/pursuing).
I think it fits their "thing" better (the creepy dread of zombie stares) and it was getting tedious to count like three frames of blue eyes while someone was getting lunged at by a Wight. -nyan
59:25
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Wight Army (Extras):
The Wight Army reanimates after the Night King lands outside the walls of Winterfell.
(Special)
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I'm not sure how we're defining a "scene," but I think there were many more instances of wights reanimating that deserve way more points than this. I think that whenever a wight reanimated, there should be special points awarded. Even if we're just doing "scenes" where they reanimate, I'd say wherever there's a cut and you see more wights reanimating, those are specials. -brendan.hamme
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This needs a massively higher number. You give Danny 171 points for zombies climbing on Drogon but only a few reanimates when it's literally tebs of thousands that stand back up? -hapesnova
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This Special has been removed and replaced with the Blue Eyes special. See discussion at: https://fantasora.com/event/4410 -nyan
63:14
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Daenerys Targaryen:
Daenerys takes on 57 fare-skipping mooches as she attempts to fly away with Drogon. (approximate count, will revise)
(Special)
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They aren't riders at all, nerf this pls.
-alicehanners
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This had nothing to do with Dany. Any points should be awarded to Drogon if any at all. -codyandrew77
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Wanted to count this for fun technicality reasons, but overall people are right - she falls off the dragon and isn't "piloting" it in any sense.
However I would still say that unwanted passengers are still passengers, and hop-ons in the future will still count if Daenerys is in control. A few people also mentioned that an event like this would feel more worthy for Drogon instead of Daenerys which is also a problem with why this doesn't feel right. I think there's a little too much hindsight to be making this change, but would people consider giving this special to Drogon? -nyan
56:07 grey worm spoke more than 3 words. “Get to the skiff. now!”
submitted by jchangz1991 (rejected: not 3-syllable word)
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Needs to be one word that's 3 syllables and not a pronoun. -nyan
Sandor scoops at a shepherd's pie in his bowl during the Feast of Winterfell, in a strong foreshadowing to the Cleganebowl that was Promised.
(Special)
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Iirc, there’s 2 more on screen shots of him interacting with the bowl. Like not continuously, he’s put the bowl aside then interacted with it again. -conor_finlay
14:55
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Daenerys Targaryen:
Daenerys switches up to a burgundy dress at the Feast of Winterfell
(Special)
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And found a second one in the episode as well! https://fantasora.com/event/4653 -nyan
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19:05
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Tormund Giantsbane:
Tormund eagerly stares at Brienne as she excuses herself to take a piss. His 3-second gaze is unfortunately interrupted by Jaime.
(Special)
submitted by conor_finlay (approved!)
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Also would “icy fucks” count as a witty insult? Or does it have to be said directly to the target of the insult? -conor_finlay
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Doesn't have to be said at anyone, and for Tormund these kind of half-bleed into funny lines. I did add the "shit in my pants" line right after "icy fucks", here: https://fantasora.com/event/4628
I could go either way on this icy fucks line. -nyan
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I feel like he definitely does more than 3 points worth of staring here? He stares straight into her eyes for 5/6 seconds as he walks over to her. He’s speaking to everyone but his eyes are fixed right on hers and he also happens to be talking about “looking into blue eyes”. His second stare is about 5/6 seconds aswell, from the end of his laugh to the moment Jaime steps in front of him and his eyes move to him. -conor_finlay
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I know he doesn’t get points for just looking at Brienne but these two stares are definitely more in line with the stares he was scored for in episode 2. -conor_finlay
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That was my bad, I meant to mark this as 3 seconds and 9 points. This is the portion that you can see Tormund's eyes during the stare in the screenshot, between Brienne's "pardon me for a moment" and Jaime interrupting. The 5s is about right if you include the beginning where we just see the back of his head. Don't feel too strongly about the cutoff here, call it even at 4s? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's subjective but I feel that before this with the "icy fucks" he is mostly jovial and talking to her like a person instead of objectifying her? -nyan
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Yeah that’s fair in regard to the “icy fucks” part. I’d still argue that he should get the whole 5/6 seconds for the second stars as we can still see he’s looking at her even though we can’t see his eyes the whole time. Ultimately it’s up to you though. -conor_finlay
0:00
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Daenerys Targaryen:
While discussing traitorous actions with Tyrion at the beginning of the episode Danaerys wears a drab housecoat to symbolize her descent into depression and madness.
submitted by marr.virginia (rejected: same as S8E4 outfit during Feast of Winterfell)
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Attached an image, it appears the same one she wears to the Feast of Winterfell. https://fantasora.com/event/4642 -nyan
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wow, dany.. how could you?? -will.reich
0:00
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Daenerys Targaryen:
While incinerating Varys, Dany sports a blood red herringbone dress (unclear if this is the same outfit from the Winterfell celebration dinner).
submitted by marr.virginia (rejected: same as S8E4 outfit during Feast of Winterfell)
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The Hound literally leaps into a fiery grave to finally end Clegane Bowl - post episode discussion even included how pivotal it was to have his death be in fire.
submitted by kelseylawniczak (rejected: awarded as 2x points for his Kills and Death events)
Objects burned in non-combat situations (Varys)
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Ah man did I word this one badly again? I wanted to give the dragons minor points for like... roasting their own meat or going Hulk Smash on a wagon for funsies. But by the way it was written I can see this qualifying, I just wanted to point out Drogon already got 10pts for this as a kill. -nyan
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"Objects" :D What plane of narration/diegesis analysis are we talking? -Lem Lemoncake
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I worry there's a slippery slope that we can say even the massacre of all the civilians starts to be "non-combat" - it is basically execution style, just that Varys' is more formal and King's Landing is chaotic. -nyan
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As I see it, if people (or animals) are being _killed_, it is a _kill_ - as which these events have been scored. Now, if people are dead, their bodies become corpses which can be more easily regarded as plain objects. I know many philosophical schools might voice multiple objections to all the statements I made in the preceding sentences, but in my opinion it does make more sense like that especially for the scoring system.
"Stuff that has never been alive or is not alive anymore, being burned in non-combat situations"?
"Unlively objects burned in non-combat situations"?
"Objects burned in non-combat situations (kills do not count)"? -Lem Lemoncake
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Yeah the "objects" term is pretty subjective, but if clarified such as above, makes sense. -nicky.xchen1388
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I'll leave this as a pending change if I need to go back and re-word for E6, but something along Lem's suggestions sounds good. -nyan
51:35
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Euron Greyjoy:
Jaime: "You're no King."
Euron: "Oh, but I am. And I fucked the Queen." (Special)
Euron: "Oh, but I am. And I fucked the Queen." (Special)
submitted by kelseylawniczak (approved!)
The Feels
0:00
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Bran Stark:
The scene where Bran and Jon meet for the first time in 7 years.
submitted by trunksgt243 (rejected: dupe)
0:00
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Bran Stark:
Jon has received "feels" points for his hug and interaction with Bran, yet Bran has not received any points?
Seeing as this was a 1 on 1 moment, why would they not receive the same points for "the feels"
Seeing as this was a 1 on 1 moment, why would they not receive the same points for "the feels"
submitted by g108138214067352828589 (rejected)
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0:00
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Bran Stark:
"Almost"
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Making it to the 1yd lines doesn't count =] -nyan
0:00
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Daenerys Targaryen:
By not doing her due diligence Danaerys puts herself in an incredibly awkward situation by trying to reward Sam Tarly. Without realizing she killed both his father/brother and has to explain this to his face. A certain "I fucked up" moment.
submitted by hindsight44 (rejected: you have to feel like you fucked up and Daenerys didn't)
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I think the fuck up was she was planning to be altruistic and her plan comptley collapsed. Not the killing of the Tarlys or her feelings about the situation.
I agree it wouldn't make sense to give points everytime someone realized their wrong doing. It's more I just put myself in this immediate situation and I didnt calculate the repercussions correctly. -hindsight44
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My read on the scene is that Daenerys is mildly sympathetic but mostly righteous that executing them was what needed to be done. There may be some remorse but I didn't see that she was super awkward or "ehr dang I shouldn't have brought this up" about it.
I guess the "I fucked up" feeling should be one of huge regret. -nyan
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Mild reject on this one, there's an argument for it. Since this is the "Feels" category, I think this is mainly a criteria of the character has to feel like they've made a regretful mistake, and Daenerys didn't seem to. -nyan
0:00
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Harry Strickland:
Harry Strickland agrees to deal with Lannisters.
submitted by atnorton (rejected)
8:24
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Bran Stark:
Jon arrives back home to Winterfell and embraces Bran, as Jon sees him for the first time in 7 seasons.
Jon: "Look at you. You're a man."
Bran: "Almost." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)
Jon: "Look at you. You're a man."
Bran: "Almost." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)
submitted by nyan (rejected: Bran is a robot)
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I'm not sure this one really counts for Bran - does he have warm fuzzy moments when he just reacts like a stoned out robot? -nyan
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Definitely *not* a warm fuzzy lol. Quite the opposite. Pretty sure Bran won't ever get warm fuzzies. -jgosch
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It looked like Bran had a smile, at least a slight one, when Jon came over to him. That's how I read the interaction. -jimmy.tague
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If Jon receives points for it as a "feels" moment, it only makes sense for Bran to get them as well. -g108138214067352828589
After Bran issues a dire warning to everyone that the White Walkers are coming and how they don't have any time for this, Jon and Dany take a romantic getaway to the frost-covered waterfall on dragon-back.
Jon: "It's cold up here for a southern girl."
Dany: "So keep your Queen warm." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)
Jon: "It's cold up here for a southern girl."
Dany: "So keep your Queen warm." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)
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Should also count for Dany -kremershell
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What points would this get? -the_catherine316
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“Heartwarming moments that are so few and far between on the show, as well as a consolation score for the heart-wrenching ones.
Also, a "you done fucked up" score for big regrets (see rulebook for criteria).
+5pts Warm Fuzzy Moment
+1pt Sad Feels
+1pt I've made a huge mistake.”
I would consider it a warm fuzzy moment.
-kremershell
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This whole sequence made me want to vomit but I guess nausea is a feeling... -nyan
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Hmmmm maaaaaaybe -the_catherine316
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It's clearly a heartwarming moment... No secret political agendas... Just plain true love kiss... -redcatscar
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As he tries to get his makeout session on with Daenerys, Jon enters a staring contest with Drogon who is watching with great interest.
(Ridiculously Funny Moment)
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50:39
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Eddison Tollett:
Edd and Tormund Giantsbane stumble upon each other at the Last Hearth.
Edd: "Stand back, he's got blue eyes!"
Tormund: "I've always had blue eyes!!" (Ridiculously Funny Moment)
Edd: "Stand back, he's got blue eyes!"
Tormund: "I've always had blue eyes!!" (Ridiculously Funny Moment)
submitted by niketbp (approved!)
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Considering adding a category for "funny moments", that would apply to the Drogon/Jon interaction as well. The problem I'm struggling with is how to properly reward vs just throwing out free points to everybody who shows up in a scene. The funny line gives a score to Tormund who is the one delivering the payoff, it doesn't feel equitable that Edd and especially Beric are getting points just for being there. -nyan
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Hmm yeah that's difficult. Perhaps not Beric then, since he was just there, but maybe Ed because he was a part of that interaction though? Tough to say :/ -niketbp
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I agree, I think Ed should get something for that exchange -mlopez
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What would be great is if we could come up with the scoring rubric for who gets points in a "funny scene" so there's a consistent guideline for future episodes. Drogon, Jon, Edd, Tormund feel like the deserving characthers here. This is also something I'd nudge towards the Feels category. -nyan
53:29
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Jaime Lannister:
After riding anonymously for a fortnight to reach Winterfell, Jaime discovers Bran has been sitting in the courtyard waiting for his "old friend" the whole time.
(I've made a huge mistake.)
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Ooooooh I love this! -nyan
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That doesn't account for the category of the "I've made a huge mistake".
The explanation for is: the "you done fucked up" moments where a character has done something that in hindsight was clearly a dumb, avoidable mistake.
But, Jaime doesn't do any dumb or avoidable mistake (or any mistake at all). -amitelran2110
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We'll see in the upcoming episode. It seems like it may be a mistake to have come to Winterfell at all. Definitely a worthwhile debate though. -nyan
0:00
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Tyrion Lannister:
I think during Briennes knighting Tyrion, Tormmund, and especially Jamie should all get more points because of how they reacted to the scene. They directly contributed to it. Tyrion brought up that she wasn’t a knight which set the whole thing in motion and he also toasted her afterwards. Tormmund told her it was ridiculous not to Knight her and clapped wildly when it was done. Jamie actually knighted her. She wouldn’t be a knight without the three of them.
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Note, Jaime did get points for his part: https://fantasora.com/event/4082
This one is a little bit of a slippery slope, it becomes easy to construct a chain of events where everyone is essential to making the event happen how it happened. If you deleted Tormund/Tyrion and someone else happened to bring up the dialogue about knighthood, it's the same scene and same impact. -nyan
0:00
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Jaime Lannister:
Jaime approaches Brienne deferentially and emotionally:
“I would like to serve under your command if you’ll have me.”
“I would like to serve under your command if you’ll have me.”
submitted by blangslet (rejected: mild reject - the moment was fleeting and seemed like they completed it later in the episode)
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"I'm not the fighter I used to be, but I'd be honored to serve under your command if you'll have me" -blangslet
0:00
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Podrick Payne:
Podrick’s song should count as a Feels of the week event. During the behind the episode the creators even said it was a special moment that they haven’t done for awhile so we know it won’t happen again. It’s the last song of the series and it contributed to multiple feels moments.
submitted by kschamber (rejected: not enough support)
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I like this as well, although the bar is set pretty high at 15pts! Would like to get more for/against, though I realize it's getting late in the week. -nyan
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Grey Worm and Jorah leaving for battle to this song gave me more goosebumps/feels than anything else in the episode. That was maybe just me though. -conor_finlay
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Samwell Tarly:
The scene near the end of the episode where Sam is cuddling Little Sam and Gilly in the crypt.
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Tyrion Lannister:
Tyrion pleads with Cersei as he stands at the gates of King's Landing: “If not for yourself then for your child. Your reign is over, but that doesn’t mean your life has to end. It doesn’t mean your baby has to die.”
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Wrong episode -vjdev2015
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Daenerys Targaryen:
Dany crying over Jorah at the end of the episode. (Sad Feels.) Couldn't find this one listed already.
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Probably everyone was tired out from debating about Dothraki deaths. I thought this one was kind of close and was waiting all scene for Jorah to SAY A DAMN THING and have a few heartfelt words. But alas...
We should distinguish bit between your run-of-the-mill death scene and truly Sad Feels moments - all the deaths are inherently sad to some of the characters, but there is a quality bar for how well rendered it is to the audience. I'm not sure that any of the character deaths got there in E3, but this was definitely the strongest case. -nyan
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Theon Greyjoy:
In stark contrast to his cowardice when Euron captured Yara, Theon charges the Night King and certain death to protect the family he betrayed and the castle he sacked.
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Gilly tells Jon that she is pregnant and if it is a bot they will name it jon
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Wrong episode -vjdev2015
Beric help The Hound realize that he does have something to live/fight for: Arya.
submitted by cteeters90 (rejected: not quite to quality bar)
Drogon curls around Dany as she cries over Jorahs dead body
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Can't edit but this is ovb for episode 3 -kelseylawniczak
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I thought that was more protection of her from wights than "feels." -brendan.hamme
Towards the end of the episode, Drogon wraps himself around Daenerys as sort of a hugging/loving gesture while she is mourning the death of Jorah.
submitted by kimbo (rejected: duplicate)
31:11
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Sansa Stark:
Sansa and Tyrion wax nostalgic to their King's Landing days, and all the trials they've endured since
Tyrion: "Maybe we should have stayed married."
Sansa: "You were the best of them." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)
Tyrion: "Maybe we should have stayed married."
Sansa: "You were the best of them." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)
submitted by brendan.hamme (approved!)
31:11
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Tyrion Lannister:
Sansa and Tyrion wax nostalgic to their King's Landing days, and all the trials they've endured since
Tyrion: "Maybe we should have stayed married."
Sansa: "You were the best of them." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)
Tyrion: "Maybe we should have stayed married."
Sansa: "You were the best of them." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)
submitted by okaymkay (approved!)
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Plus points for Sansa too! She was feeling it. :) -brendan.hamme
32:36
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Theon Greyjoy:
Bran to Theon: "Everything you did brought you where you are now. Where you belong. Home."
(Warm Fuzzy Moment)
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😭😭😭😭 -kschamber
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Sansa Stark:
As the dead make their way into the Crypts, Sansa and Tyrion hide behind a tomb and share a tender moment. Tyrion kisses her hand as they pull out their weapons and join the fray.
(Warm Fuzzy Moment)
submitted by brendan.hamme (approved!)
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67:24
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Tyrion Lannister:
As the dead make their way into the Crypts, Sansa and Tyrion hide behind a tomb and share a tender moment. Tyrion kisses her hand as they pull out their weapons and join the fray.
(Warm Fuzzy Moment)
submitted by okaymkay (approved!)
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Plus points for Sansa too. -brendan.hamme
71:14
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Theon Greyjoy:
Bran: "Theon. You're a good man. Thank you."
(Warm Fuzzy Moment)
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😭💔 -kschamber
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This is my personal bias but I think Bran is a soulless robot and deserves nothing in this category until he snaps out of it and becomes Bran. But he probably gets a Feels of the Week +15 score at that point. -nyan
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Do the white walkers get points for their deaths? -bcharleshayes
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Grey Worm Gasps with Terror when Missandei is beheaded.
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This could eventually be compiled to answer the question, "who has been the saddest character in GoT history?" -nyan
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In general I think all of these fall under the bar of really common things that characters are sad/upset about - I might put Sam's reaction to Edd and Daenerys' reaction to Rhaegal in the same category as Grey Worm - and not counted as to not dilute the category too much.
I do think we might add in a really low-bar "basic sadness", worth 1pt or something. I like the idea of a stat that lets us count up who has been the most miserable (or happiest) character throughout the series. Iffy on adding it in this season because it would mean going backwards to backdate more scores from E1-3. -nyan
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That is the death of his lover, whom he had made plans to have a life together with. The fact that the Unsullied training cracks enough to show any sort of emotion is major feels on his part. Incidentally, I expect him to die from self-destructive grief-murder spree in the next battle. Also a basic google search of “grey worm missandei beheaded” brings up multiple articles of fan reaction and feels to the death, and specifically feels towards Grey Worm. -davidagster
Grey Worm and Missandei hold hands look to the future
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This was meant for episode 4 -palecekc
Preoccupied, Grey Worm tells Missandei to hide inside the ship just before Greyjoy attacks the fleet
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Grey Worm desperately seeks and shouts Misandei at the beach
"Misandei!!! Misandei!!! Misandeeeeeeei!!"
"Misandei!!! Misandei!!! Misandeeeeeeei!!"
submitted by victor.alavedra (rejected: below bar - generally distressed but different from "sad feels")
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Several close-ups of Grey Worm as he watches his lover being decapitated. He ends up with tears in his eyes
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Duplicated thread now -victor.alavedra
Grey Worm and Missandei hold hands on the ship right before Euron comes (their last scene together)
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Grey Worm watches on in dismay as Missandei is beheaded.
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Jon says goodbye to Gilly
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They aren’t that close, IMO -alicehanners
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Sad feels when Arya refused Gendry's proposal.
23:36
Gendry: "Be my wife, be the lady of Storm's end"
Arya: "You will be a wonderful lord, and any lady would be lucky to have you. But I am not a lady, I never have been, that is not me."
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Gendry: "Be my wife, be the lady of Storm's end"
Arya: "You will be a wonderful lord, and any lady would be lucky to have you. But I am not a lady, I never have been, that is not me."
submitted by yarden.s (rejected)
3:39
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Daenerys Targaryen:
Daenerys kisses Jorah's body goodbye as the living pay their respects to the fallen after the Battle of Winterfell.
(Sad Feels)
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He got this: https://fantasora.com/event/4485 -nyan
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Generally agree with that order but in the instance of this episode I think Grey worm's moment is harder hitting than Danaerys' and Sansa's. Sansa and danaerys lost good friends that they had gone through shit with but to grey worm I think Missandei was everything. Not to mention it was a romance we watched awkwardly blossom on screen. Idk if thats really subjective but I just felt it was a moment with more feel (as rushed as it was). -Jamiemurraytait
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Right now only Sansa's is scored, purely off of the Stark sigil brooch that she left on Theon's body - that gave a little bit of "extra" meaning to the scene that imo Daenerys/Grey Worm lack besides being generally upset. -nyan
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Sansa Stark:
A tearful Sansa weeps over Theon's body as they pay their respects to the dead after the Battle of Winterfell.
(Sad Feels)
submitted by nyan (rejected: dupe)
23:32
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Arya Stark:
Gendry proposes to Arya.
"I don't know how to be Lord of anything. I hardly know how to use a fork. All I know is that you're beautiful, and I love you, and none of it will be worth anything if you're not with me. So be with me. Be my wife. Be the Lady of Storm's End." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)
"I don't know how to be Lord of anything. I hardly know how to use a fork. All I know is that you're beautiful, and I love you, and none of it will be worth anything if you're not with me. So be with me. Be my wife. Be the Lady of Storm's End." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)
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Shouldn't this be gendry points? There was nothing warm and fuzzy about arya -hindsight44
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I don't think this warm for gendry as he is ultimately rejected, it was probably quite nice for arya to have someone she cares for show their affection. -Jamiemurraytait
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I wouldn’t class rejecting someone’s marriage proposal as warm and fuzzy -conor_finlay
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Would be sad feels for gendry i think getting rejected like that -ryanmcfarlane09
38:21
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Bran Stark:
Jon: *struggles internally with secret heritage*
Bran: "It's your choice."
Jon: "I need to tell you a secret. But you have to swear you can't tell anyone."
Sansa, Arya: "We swear it."
Jon: "Alright, here goes... Bran, tell 'em." (I've made a huge mistake.)
Bran: "It's your choice."
Jon: "I need to tell you a secret. But you have to swear you can't tell anyone."
Sansa, Arya: "We swear it."
Jon: "Alright, here goes... Bran, tell 'em." (I've made a huge mistake.)
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43:46
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Arya Stark:
Arya and the Hound reunite on the road to Kingslanding.
Sandor: "I don't plan on coming back."
Arya: "Neither do I." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)
Sandor: "I don't plan on coming back."
Arya: "Neither do I." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)
submitted by nyan (rejected: bit below bar)
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This is a pretty liberal use of warm and fuzzy. If this is allowed we could start throwing these points around everywhere. -hindsight44
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I disagree, I think for both these fairly hardened, rarely emotional characters this is about as warm and fuzzy as it's going to get. -Jamiemurraytait
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Arya has received warm and fuzzy moment points*every* episode this season, one of which already included her and the hound. Past scoring suggests otherwise. -hindsight44
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Fair enough, I hadn't realised this maybe Nyan has an unconscious Arya Bias haha? -Jamiemurraytait
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😅 very fair. I'll move to submitted. I definitely have a soft spot for the Hound and Arya as a pair.
But I will say the show writing has done a strong focus on Arya's human side this season when it easily could have gone the other way. If she was still immersed in her "No One"-ness I think she'd be scoring 0's just like Bran. -nyan
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I dunno if this was a warm/fuzzy moment for the characters, but I’d say it was for the viewers seeing the 2 of them on the road together again. -conor_finlay
Arya and the Hound reunite on the road to Kingslanding.
Sandor: "I don't plan on coming back."
Arya: "Neither do I." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)
Sandor: "I don't plan on coming back."
Arya: "Neither do I." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)
submitted by nyan (rejected: bit below bar)
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Jaime Lannister:
After two nights in bed with Brienne, Jaime lies awake and reflects on how non-incest just really doesn't do it for him.
(I've made a huge mistake.)
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i don't know what category this is for but LOL i love this caption -coconnor723
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Tyrion Lannister:
Varys says his last words to Tyrion as he awaits his execution: "I hope I deserve it, truly I do. I hope I'm wrong. Goodbye, old friend."
(Sad Feels)
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When he says “it was me” and varys nods I think deserves points for both -ryanmcfarlane09
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Varys says his last words to Tyrion as he awaits his execution: "I hope I deserve it, truly I do. I hope I'm wrong. Goodbye, old friend."
(Sad Feels)
submitted by nyan (approved!)
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Wasn't sure how on-the-margins this was. Varys has a decent last line for sure, Tyrion just has like.. a solemn look. Which is how 80% of the character interactions ended this episode. -nyan
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Hand on the arm/solemn look was crucial for this moment, but you can't argue w/ last moment! -will.reich
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*word. oops -will.reich
Grey Worm looks upon Missandei's slave band with Daenerys, and casts it into the fire.
(Sad Feels)
submitted by nyan (rejected: no support)
0:00
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Daenerys Targaryen:
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(Warm Fuzzy Moment)
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Scores for this last Ep will be in a little later in the week - going to squeeze in some features to show off the winners and provide some summary stats. User stats are now pinned in the ÜberRankings btw! -nyan
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An update on these - scores or more or less finalized, but lagging behind on the final email as I'm prepping some of the new games. Stay tuned! -nyan
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